Polio and measles vaccines are not even sterilising. It is much more realistic to achieve herd immunity with vaccines than it is to create a sterilising vaccine.
At preventing severe disease. Which has been stated since the beginning, remains accurate, and your not understanding that seems to be core to your confusion.
Elderly, and immunocompromised are the ones who willfully unvaccinated people put at risk. I don't want my parents to die so you can argue on the internet. There's also a timeline on this, the longer people wait to get vaccinated, the less time we have a strongly effective vaccine as it appears to reduce in effectiveness after six months.
You're helping to cause this vicious cycle.
mRNA vaccines do not prevent the spread of SARS-COV-2, they are highly effective at preventing a SARS-COV-2 infection from causing COVID-19.
As you say, I "argue on the internet" because my freedom is stolen with the help of people so in fear that they can't think rationally anymore. I will NEVER let anyone dictate what to inject in my body and I would defend your right and anyone's to choose for themselves.
In 10 years your country and mine won't be recognizable because we will have let the politicians transform democracies in dictatorships since the majority was blindsided by an overblown fear.
Make no mistakes, I am not your enemy, the politicians that are pitting us against each other are.
Early on the question was "can a vaccinated person transmit the virus?" and the answer to that question is yes; but, even with a low viral load, that can still be the case. So the vaccinated person can end up transmitting, but not as much, as an unvaccinated person. If the person asking the question wants just a yes or no answer, then the answer has to be yes. But that's not the full picture.
https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-i...
TL;DR: The unvaccinated are using 6 times the available medical care capacity of the vaccinated and are impacting the health outcomes for anyone who needs access to those medical resources, not just those who are suffering from a COVID-19 infection.
[1]: https://www.ohsu.edu/sites/default/files/2021-08/Oregon-Tren...
If we had limited ability to treat cancer patients, and someone refused treatment of their Phase 1 cancer, we wouldn't give them a bed over someone else, when they come back to the hospital in Phase 3.
There are trauma victims waiting in ERs, who can't get treatment because of this self-inflicted disaster. There are people waiting on life-saving surgeries, who can't come in for them, because all the doctors are busy, and all the beds are full.
Not getting vaccinated is a choice, but choices should have consequences.
Vaccination is two free ten-minute appointments at any doctor's office, UCU, or grocery.
Comparing the two the way you do severely undersells why obesity is such a difficult problem to solve. If it could be solved by two free shots, it wouldn't be a difficult problem to solve.
Also, lots of people come from communities that were experimented on by big pharma which explains rate differences amongst races.
This can't be the reason for why >40% of the eligible population isn't vaccinated.
> Also, lots of people come from communities that were experimented on by big pharma which explains rate differences amongst races.
Even if this does explain lower vaccination rates among Hispanics and African Americans (Who, by the way, have much worse outcomes if they catch COVID), it doesn't explain why white people are also not getting vaccinated. It also doesn't explain why most minorities who have not gotten vaccinated give a reason of "I want to wait and see" [1], and why most white people who have not gotten vaccinated give a reason of "I've already made up my mind, definitely not getting vaccinated."
They don't trust doctors recommendations for vaccination, but apparently trust doctors recommendations for every other aspect of getting treated for COVID...
[1] https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-...
This is called solidarity, we pay taxes for that too.
Anyway I would still take my chance.
It is ultimately your choice. Just understand that others making the same choice are currently filling up hospital beds. The numbers don't lie.
Solidarity with defectors only works when there are enough resources for everyone. When there aren't, we triage. First come first serve, at the expense of people who have not defected is a stupid way to allocate those resources, when there's such a simple preventative measure available.
The QRCODE has been in place since 1 week. Deaths were previously at the same level.
Then explain Sweden, India or Africa. It should be terrible there, it's not though.
FYI in Paris region, between march 2020 and march 2021 intensive care beds have been reduced from 2500 to 1700. And this is like that all other France.
It's a much better explanation why we have so much worse stats than Sweden.
They're also not at 80% of the full population; most of the vaccination percentages you see batted around are in adults only, because most countries have vaccinated 0% of their under-12s.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-644288348135
> Israel has a population of approximately 9.3 million people, of which more than 60% are fully vaccinated, according toJuly 21 numbers from the online scientific publication, Our World In Data. The country has had one of the swiftest vaccine rollouts in the world. By February, 80% of those over 60 had already received shots.