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Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by HWR_14 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @12:27AM (#28186272)
> Why didn't they implement basic boolean operators over circles and people?

> Post (@friends !bob) "let's surprise Bob for his birthday" is about as normal as it gets

Because while I would love that UI, there would be 1% of the population on their site.

Look at how much they had to simplify search syntax to appeal to the wider market.

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by laurent92 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @03:20AM (#28186851)
You can always represent this with a widget and a little form.

But from my experience, people who quit and say “I don’t understand” in front of the login screen of Windows, have no problems setting up an OnlyFans account with 3 levels of verification and linked with a bank account.

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by rambambram on Sunday August 15, 2021 @05:30AM (#28187416)
> But from my experience, people who quit and say “I don’t understand” in front of the login screen of Windows, have no problems setting up an OnlyFans account with 3 levels of verification and linked with a bank account.

So true that it is almost sad.

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by HWR_14 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:03AM (#28189320)
Setting up an OF account doesn't require choices, it requires steps that the UI designers are very motivated to have you step through.

That's why they don't give up

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by ggm on Sunday August 15, 2021 @01:06AM (#28186397)
Syntactic sugar it into natural language, I just wanted grouping, braces to coerce precedence with "and", "or" & "not".

I even said so at the time! (Back when we naively believed Google wanted feedback)

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by HWR_14 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @01:12AM (#28186421)
It's not a syntactic sugar problem. Most people don't think like that.
Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by ggm on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:43AM (#28187965)
My 40 years of experience in computer science thinks you're wrong. Google agreed with you, so, there's that.
Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by HWR_14 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @04:40PM (#28192318)
> My 40 years of experience in computer science thinks you're wrong.

Why would 40 years of computer science experience be relevant to predicting how most people behave? If you had said psychology or something, I can see it being relevant.

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by ggm on Sunday August 15, 2021 @09:53PM (#28194243)
You know google support boolean terms in their search products, right?

"most people don't think like that" is an odd statement. How do you know how most people think? You think most people don't understand how to ideate "all my friends except bob" to invite people to bob's surprise birthday party?

Thats syntactic sugar, right there. You don't need a degree in psychology to get this. You need a degree in computer science to know what syntactic sugar is.

Re:What we can learn from Google Plus (2014) by HWR_14 on Monday August 16, 2021 @12:27AM (#28194932)
> You know google support boolean terms in their search products, right?

I know they used to. I know people claim they still do. If they do, they seem to only treat it as a suggestion (like searching for a significantly less popular by very similar word) and ignore me when I tell them to exclude specific terms.

> How do you know how most people think?

Okay, I'm not going to play the game where I have to keep supplying evidence and you keep denying it. What do you want. Google agreed with me, you have no training in anticipating how people think and the rarity of people capable of being programmers are sufficient for me to say it's time for you to start supplying proof of your blatant assertions.

> You think most people don't understand how to ideate "all my friends except bob" to invite people to bob's surprise birthday party?

Correct. And certainly even if they can it's only because that example is particularly simple (it's the same as always only without Bob). It doesn't solve 99% of use cases.

I'm not disputing that syntactical sugar is nice, I'm saying people are not capable of the complex operations to make the system you are positing work the majority of time for the majority of people, they will either quit in frustration or send their drunken party pictures to their boss or mother.