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Re:Second IC by adrian_b on Saturday August 14, 2021 @01:32AM (#28178299)
His achievements are great, but the only reason why he could this without a cleanroom and with less pure chemicals is that he succeeded to find on eBay a batch of silicon wafers with the MOS gate oxide already grown on them.

Growing the MOS gate oxide without extreme cleanness has no chance of succeeding.

The difficulty of this process has caused a delay of many decades between the time when the MOS transistor was first imagined (in 1928 by Julius Edgar Lilienfeld, then also in 1935 by Oskar Heil) and the time when working MOS transistors were made for the first time, around 1960.

Re:Second IC by baybal2 on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:42AM (#28178612)
Want to stress how extreme cleanliness have to be. Free halogen ions from the air are enough to mess it up.

That's why early fabs had very unusual placement requirements: not close to chicken farms, agriculture, water, or sewage treatment plants.

Intel famously got seasonal yield losses which they traced to agricultural activities, and seasonal chicken coup cleaning.

Re:Second IC by pottertheotter on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:54AM (#28178656)
Are they able to clean the air well enough now that it’s not an issue?
Re:Second IC by eurasiantiger on Saturday August 14, 2021 @05:11AM (#28179258)
It’s not really feasible to separate noble gases out of the atmosphere in a building HVAC system.
Re:Second IC by gravypod on Saturday August 14, 2021 @06:51AM (#28179673)
Couldn't you just use positive pressure of O2 and nitrogen? Push all other gasses out? Would cost a lot but it is doable.
Re:Second IC by baybal2 on Saturday August 14, 2021 @06:58AM (#28179698)
More recent tools do work that way. The whole "tool line" is flushed with process atmosphere.
Re:Second IC by amelius on Saturday August 14, 2021 @10:30AM (#28180930)
Probably the buildings are so big nowadays that it's geometrically impossible to have farms nearby the actual plant.
Re:Second IC by amelius on Saturday August 14, 2021 @10:33AM (#28180953)
How much m^3 do you need to grow these structures? Couldn't it be done in a very confined space?
Re:Second IC by baybal2 on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:58PM (#28186151)
This is how it's done now. Tool lines are flushed with chemically regenerated atmosphere (basically getting LOX + LN2 bottles from air liquide, and mixing them,) or argon, or nitrogen only.

Older, and cheaper fabs still rely on natural atmosphere, and other, less sure tricks to keep halogens out.

Re:Second IC by amelius on Saturday August 14, 2021 @10:28AM (#28180913)
Are these unfinished wafers commonly used/sold in the industry?