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Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by polote on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:38PM (#28172630)
Ok global warming is happening we know it for a long time.

But is there a place somewhere that explain how could the world works without emitting too much co2, or any gaz which are problematic. How do we replace cars ? trucks ? how many people on earth is possible ? Can we have plane ? Boat ? How do we produce clothes, how do we have electricity at night ...

I'm not asking to have a plan for everything, because this is not possible. But a complete description of important areas of life

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by marcosdumay on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:30PM (#28173451)
Right now?

Invest on lowering the price of solar and increasing panel production;

Invest on lowering the price of batteries (I'm not sure ramping-up production is wise right now);

Invest on nuclear power on the (very few) places it can be ramped-up quickly, and stop taking offline the reactors that have no extraneous safety problems;

Invest on electrifying transportation (that's mostly by replacing trucks, buses and cars, but if it's viable to replace things by trains, that's a double gain, I would ignore planes for the time being);

Invest on lowering the costs of carbon capture (I would focus on atmospheric capture for chemical usage, but any kind could be great);

If you live in a place without them, press for carbon taxes, the government can use the money to pay for the things above or distribute it to the poor. It's easier to get if you make it mildly protectionist, but that has the side effect of impoverishing your local economy (politics is weird).

You personally can not do much, unless you have a lot of money. But any reasonably rich government can do a lot of change (it doesn't even to be at the national level).

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by pptr on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:10PM (#28173130)
I thought Bill Gates' recent book covered all the important problems and how they could be addressed. Here is a good summary: https://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/Lowering-Green-Premiums
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by sampo on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:42PM (#28173616)
> But is there a place somewhere that explain how could the world works without emitting too much co2, or any gaz which are problematic.

Per capita per year CO2 emissions, in tonnes:

    US     16.06
    China   7.1
    EU-27   6.56
    France  4.97
    World   4.72
    Sweden  4.26
    India   1.91
Maybe the answer is somewhere between Sweden and India.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by ptkd on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:27PM (#28173400)
high level there's a two pronged path:

* Clean electricity generation (solar, wind, hydro with some sort of grid storage/distribution mechanism to handle when sun isn't shining/wind isn't blowing) and

* Electrification (EVs, non-gas heating)

> Can we have planes

Yes, at some point. Electric planes are being explored but have difficulties with battery weight. Another possibility is green hydrogen or perhaps some other yet-undiscovered energy source. Planes account for a relatively low percentage of global emissions (maybe 2% right now?) so this is not a priority

> Boats?

Yes -- electric pleasure crafts exist already. For long haul/shipping I'm not totally sure what's being worked on, but it certainly will be possible

> Clothing

Another space I'm not super familiar with. Again, it's important to remember that we need to focus on the heavy hitters, which currently are dirty electricity production (ie coal plants) and transportation (gas-powered cars)

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by polote on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:42PM (#28173619)
So basically you say, let's replace most of the energy sources by solar, wind and hydro. And use battery every time we need to get off the grid.

As for storage for the grid, are we actually confident that we can transfer that quantity of energy between countries ? Because if everything becomes electricity powered. That means a lot of power over long distance.

Do we know if there are enough natural resources to produce that amount of lithium batteries also ?

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by ptkd on Friday August 13, 2021 @04:25PM (#28174059)
Grid-level batteries will likely be made of something else -- check out form energy who does iron-based batteries.

> Can we transfer power between countries

Certainly possible, but requires infrastructure build out. Most countires can also provide a lot of their own solar/wind

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:47PM (#28172765)
As I see things the only solution is that humans need to stop reproducing so much. There are far too many people for the resources of the planet given current technology.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by pyrale on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:44PM (#28173643)
This kind of discourse is simply disregarding facts to promote a not-my-problem ideology.

The countries that contribute most significantly to greenhouse gas emissions almost always have very low demography. Because of that, if we were to change demography to reach strict population equilibrium in every country without changing countries' emissions per capita, we would actually emit more greenhouse gases.

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @05:51PM (#28175016)
What facts am I disregarding? As global poverty declines consumption correspondingly goes up. Globalization ensures that the message of consumption wins out. Profits need to be had. Humans are local optimization machines. The only real solution given human psychology is for there to be far fewer people. Until that happens the damage will continue to be done and at an increasing rate.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by pyrale on Saturday August 14, 2021 @06:56PM (#28184652)
> The only real solution given human psychology is for there to be far fewer people.

The issue is that even with far fewer people, the emissions for developed countries aren't going to work out.

That is why the population control message is simply deflecting from the actual problem towards population which are for the most part way under the recommended emissions per capita considering the current world's population.

How hard is it to fix your own problems before you try to tell other people what they should do?

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by kmlx on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:59PM (#28172962)
this is a myth from the 1970s. it has been debunked countless times (even by history itself), but people still fall back to this.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:21PM (#28173319)
What is a myth? If there were far fewer people less carbon would be used/extracted. Less trees and natural space would be destroyed. Less plastic would be around. Etc.

There are not enough resources for everyone to live like we Americans. As the world gets richer we’ll collectively destroy more of the environment. This is not disputable.

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by burkaman on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:25PM (#28173378)
It is a myth that it is "the only solution". If not everyone can live like Americans (agreed), then we'll all have to find a different way to live. Many of us are working on building that new way of living as we speak.

You may also be interested to know that global population growth has been falling for 60 years and will almost certainly continue to do so. There's no need for anyone to take active measures in this area. https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth#how-has-t...

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @05:45PM (#28174948)
Thank you for the clarification on what you meant by “myth”. The rate of population growth has been declining but not the growth of the population. There are far more people now than 60 years ago. There are around 8 billion people and global poverty is decreasing. This means consumption is correspondingly increasing. The pressure on the environment that this causes is enormous. Man made chemicals, plastics, etc. are all over the place. We are shitting on ourselves with our profligacy. The pollution and environmental destruction are getting worse. There are too many people as I see things.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by CyanBird on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:32PM (#28173488)
> If there were far fewer people less carbon would be used/extracted.

1 American releases the same amount of co2 as ten people in Benin, let alone the amount of trash and general consumption

This is not about the "amount of people" , it is about percapita numbers and consumption

If everyone consumed like Americans do, we'd need like 4, 5 earth's just to maintain that

Again, it is a matter of co2/per capita

Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @05:47PM (#28174977)
Poverty is on the decline globally and this means consumption correspondingly increases. People in Benin and elsewhere have the same desires as everyone else and they too want to consume at a greater rate. They want things too. Americans are the worst for sure. I think that there are far too many people given humans’ proclivity toward consumption.
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by mattrighetti on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:58PM (#28172954)
How do you back that statement?
Re:It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record by syops on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:22PM (#28173331)
Far fewer people means far less environmental destruction.