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Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by kesselvon on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:00AM (#28169704)
It's not surprising that universities are more left-leaning when the right has taken a stance against higher education and pushes anti-intellectualism for political gain.

The right likes to push this idea of universities as brainwashing factories, but there's very little of that going on given that its usually a struggle to get everyone to do the assigned reading, let alone try to brainwash people.

Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by ethbr0 on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:19AM (#28169994)
I flat out started dropping classes when I showed up and lecture was regurgitating the assigned reading.

I understand some students are lazy. But that's what an F is for. Even in undergrad, I valued my time and tuition dollars more than that.

As my father told a student who complained about a D in his course: "No, I didn't give you a D. You earned a D. I would have given you an F."

(Went to GT and had family who taught undergrad and grad, so might have different perspective on expectations)

Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by BeFlatXIII on Friday August 13, 2021 @05:05PM (#28174514)
Was this a problem more frequently in some departments than others? For that matter, were they real profs or TAs?
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by beaner on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:23AM (#28170053)
I dunno, I went to college. I've seen what it's like on the inside. Before I ever had political opinions it was pretty easy to see that people came out kind of brainless and all thinking the same things. It did not seem like an institution that really developed peoples' ability to think for themselves.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by wolverine876 on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:18PM (#28171734)
> Before I ever had political opinions it was pretty easy to see that people came out kind of brainless and all thinking the same things

Wow. I would say IME people were transformed from unengaged and ignorant to skilled critical thinkers. YMMV, and it it may depend on college and major, but they couldn't make it through liberal arts classes "brainless and all thinking the same things"; they'd fail.

Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by kesselvon on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:54AM (#28170561)
What you get out of college is entirely up to you.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by beaner on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:34PM (#28181954)
Sure. This is my observation of the student body.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by willcipriano on Friday August 13, 2021 @12:14PM (#28170829)
The same is true of life but life doesn't require student loans.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by throwaway894345 on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:58AM (#28170621)
> It's not surprising that universities are more left-leaning when the right has taken a stance against higher education and pushes anti-intellectualism for political gain.

People do realize that you don't have to choose between the regressive, anti-intellectual right and the regressive, anti-intellectual left, correct? Every time someone criticizes the left, some left-wing person argues that the right-wing is worse as though there isn't a moderate option. We have to choose between overt left-wing propaganda and overt right-wing propaganda--we can't have a media apparatus that at least pays lip service to objectivity and neutrality like we have had for the last few decades.

Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by wolverine876 on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:19PM (#28171746)
A little confused: We do or don't have to choose?

I agree with 'don't'; the idea that everything is politicized propaganda is a tool of the propagandists, like a liar saying 'everyone lies'.

Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by throwaway894345 on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:02PM (#28172224)
We do not have to choose. The far-left/far-right dichotomy is a false dichotomy.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by wolverine876 on Friday August 13, 2021 @07:59PM (#28176365)
It would be much easier if you would just play the game like everyone else.
Re:Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach Ne... by kesselvon on Friday August 13, 2021 @06:50PM (#28175785)
My point was that universities aren't some kind of left-wing propaganda factory, and that they see universities as hostile to right-wing opinions because they deride the product of a university education.

The right-wing opinion on universities and college graduates shifted around the same time that college graduates stopped being a strong GOP constituency.