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Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by meowface on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @12:44PM (#28144394)
I fully agree, but - and someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I was under the impression that this is essentially out of Netflix's hands. It just depends on the terms of the license that's granted, right? And/or is it a scenario where in some cases Netflix could perhaps pay more to get wider/global airing rights, but they can't justify the additional cost based on the viewership numbers they expect for that piece of content in those additional countries/regions?

By that same token, I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers have been breathing down their neck for years trying to pressure them to crack down on region lock-bypassing VPNs, and perhaps even threatening legal action against them.

(Of course, that's not justification for blocking residential IP addresses as VPNs when there are non-VPN users behind those IP addresses. Just wanted to point out that the blocking policy is probably something they have to do rather than something they want to do.)

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by bubblethink on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @03:34PM (#28146631)
No, it's not out of Netflix's hands. It's just the usual price negotiation. Netflix doesn't want to license content for global broadcast, which would be more expensive. So, they license it regionally. So, Netflix is as much at fault here as the rights holders.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by meowface on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @04:00PM (#28146980)
Yeah, it's definitely not entirely out of their hands. My reason for saying "essentially out of their hands": if their analysis shows that, say, they would almost certainly just be bleeding huge amounts of money by purchasing rights for regions where almost no one would ever watch it, I think it's hard to fault them for that decision.

I'm guessing it's not a matter of nickel-and-diming, but it just really being very unwise or totally infeasible to get global rights for everything. Of course, I'm just blindly speculating and I have no clue and maybe they really are being cheap in some way.

And I think it's quite possible the VPN stuff really is out of their hands. (From a policy perspective, not an implementation perspective. Obviously the implementation is entirely on them, and the false positive bans are their fault.)

From a business perspective, I would think they'd be incentivized to allow them and not dedicate resources to trying to block them. But lots of podcasts I watch have a bunch of ad segments for different VPNs, where the main selling point is typically "watch stuff for other regions on Netflix", and I'm guessing the companies they're licensing from are increasingly seeing this loophole as basically a form of piracy.

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by miohtama on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @04:14PM (#28147139)
Netflix’s own catalog is available globally, without any regional restrictions.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by meowface on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @05:12PM (#28147820)
Right. I'm just referring to things they license.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by netflix_temp on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @09:21PM (#28150486)
That's right, it is largely out of their hands, but as time goes on, they will have more control over it.

For example, say they want to license a show, and they get it for one year for $50k, usa-only.

Okay, but we want it world-wide. Alright, that will be 3 million, world-wide, except Australia. Okay. wait, what?

We have a 7-year contract on Australia right now. We can't give you Australia.

Now netflix has to decide if it's worth it for the 350 people who want to watch this in Europe and Asia to take the second deal.

Sucks.

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by socialist_coder on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @12:50PM (#28144482)
Why can't Netflix just allow people to buy another subscription for a new country? I wouldn't mind paying extra to unlock additional content from another country.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by nomel on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:06PM (#28144692)
That's almost certainly a requirement from the crusty content owners, not Netflix. They get the final say for the broadcast rights.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by forrestthewoods on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @12:53PM (#28144516)
Because the person who owns the content sold exclusive distribution rights in that country to another distributor.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by rodgerd on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:27PM (#28148671)
Yep. Paramount announced Paramount Plus in New Zealand and Australia. Then the failing pay TV monopoly paid up a bunch of money to make the content exclusive to their terrible 720p streaming service. No Paramount Plus for New Zealand!

To add insult to injury, they don't even bother showing the movies and shows that they lock up this way. It's just about exercising monopoly power.

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by eptcyka on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:16PM (#28144816)
Ok, but why can't netflix apply the geo restrictions based on the payment and not the incoming IP address? I'd prefer to use a VPN for all of my traffic, and I'll gladly stay region locked to the region I reside in. But forcing me to go outside the VPN is something I'd rather not do.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by meowface on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:28PM (#28144973)
True, that's a good point. Has it been confirmed that they're just blanket-blocking VPN IPs rather than specifically blocking cases of a customer's region shifting/not matching their registration details?

If the VPN node's public IP matches the country in the subscriber's registration details, then it seems pretty unfair that they'd still restrict their account when accessed from that VPN IP. But I suppose from a technical standpoint it's probably far simpler for them to just find VPN IPs/subnets, add them to a database, and restrict content for any account accessed from any of those IPs, regardless of the account, IP, or content regions.

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by nyuszika7h on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:40PM (#28145135)
Yes, they block known VPN IPs even if it matches the customer’s home country. If a VPN IP is detected, only globally licensed content will be visible.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:49PM (#28148933)
The copyright applies to a specific viewing of a movie, not the purchase of a license. They can't enable their users to break license or they'll loose their right to distribute content.
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by socialist_coder on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:09PM (#28144726)
But Netflix also has an agreement with whoever owns distribution rights in the other country though... that's why the VPN trick works. Just let me pay extra for the other country, what would be the problem there?
Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by anotherman554 on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:22PM (#28144884)
Your suggestion makes "common sense" but probably would cause legal issues.

Suppose you are Canadian. Netflix has permission to sell Americans "Media Package A" and Canadians "Media Package B". They don't have permission to sell Canadians "Media Package A". You are saying "just let me buy both" but Netflix does not have permission from media companies to sell you both.

Re:Netflix intensifies VPN ban and targets residential IP ad... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:32PM (#28145027)
I would assume the content owners are demanding the Netflix to stop the VPN trick. I would assume the distributors in other countries are telling content owners they will not pay a certain price if Netflix is allowing people to use VPNs.