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Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by wongarsu on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:28PM (#28133978)
That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1].

The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok certainly seems healthy in that regard.

1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook...

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by godelski on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:43PM (#28134218)
Is the network authority the only entity to blame here? Looking at the other end of the spectrum, if a popular network was fully decentralized and had zero censorship or speed bumps to control how viral something goes, then I still think that social network would be vulnerable to propaganda machines. Specifically still by those with the most money to throw at it.

I don't think Facebook and many social networks are doing a good job but I think we should also recognize that the problem is difficult and unclear how to solve. There's an issue with how information naturally flows and how that can be manipulated.

Specifically I don't think TikTok is great because the focus on short videos (we see this on Facebook too. A meme is even shorter). 30 sec to 3 min political videos are more likely to be propaganda in my experience (e.g. NowThis). Though that isn't too say there aren't longer form versions (e.g. PragerU).

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by AgentME on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:48PM (#28136254)
Generally I agree people (especially on HN) are too optimistic about zero-censorship decentralized systems, but I think it's important to point out that decentralization doesn't have to mean zero censorship / everything goes. In federated systems like Mastodon, each instance can handle their own moderation separately, allowing moderation to be done with more context by people closer to their communities and for a diversity of moderation styles to exist.
Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by saddlerustle on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:34PM (#28134061)
TikTok has already been found to be censoring content that criticises the Chinese government [1]. Theres a big difference between that and a nonpolitical public research project that ended up with a minuscule effect size.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by the-dude on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:35PM (#28134078)
> a nonpolitical public research project

Are you referring to Camebridge Analytica?

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by saddlerustle on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:36PM (#28134090)
No, the emotional contagion paper the OP linked. Facebook had no active role in the Cambridge Analytic affair.
Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by telxoss on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:13PM (#28135366)
Or you could just not waste your time with social media or the news in general.

If you didn't check social media or have any input from a new sources in the past 2 weeks what would you have missed?

The NASDAQ went down then back up?

Real news could be done with a single web page that updates weekly. Even if monthly you wouldn't really miss out on much of anything important.

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by wongarsu on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:36PM (#28136155)
For news, weekly newspapers are probably the best source. They don't have to be reactionary, they have time to do research and let things play out a bit, enabling them to give you useful insights instead of hysteria.

To me social media isn't about news, it's about entertainment, education, social interaction, etc. My TikTok is about people rapping childrens books, what ADHD does to people and how to deal with it, how introverts go to the party for the cats instead of to meet people (all things in the first five clips when I just opened it).

Social media certainly can be toxic, but it can also enrich your live and give you a much wider horizon by bringing you into contact with people outside your social bubble.

Re:TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app by stale2002 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:16PM (#28134689)
> Which social network would you trust not to do that?

Well step 1 is to see what country the social network was made in, and see if that government has had a strong history of using the law to force companies to silence criticism.