What is most interesting(read horrifying) to me is that people will argue that this is not a 4th amendment violation because private company. But will later then argue that it is not Apple's fault because the government pressured them.

If the government is pressuring Apple to violate someone's privacy and Apple does so, that makes Apple's actions in that case a state actor and makes the actions unconstitutional.

The nuance is that both of these can be true. Apple isn’t violating the 4th and Apple has no choice (unproven).

The government, by way of Apple, could be violating the 4th amendment.

Upvoted not because I agree. But we have seen time and time again only the founder are willing to stand up against these sort of things. ( I mean Steve gave the biggest middle finger to PRISM ) Managers are always looking at shareholder responsibility, that if they dont comply there might be severe consequences.

But I still dont think it is forced upon by the government, because the whole thing sounds and smells very Apple. Doing it for the child.

>> ...smells very Apple. Doing it for the child.

While turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed by China. In which case they're doing it for the money. Moral righteousness only seems to reflect upon the markets not driving growth.

There's no "orthodoxy". The community has various opinions—it's as simple as that. Certainly the majority view on HN is not pro-Apple on this particular topic...have you missed the all of the dozen or more major threads?

As for claims that the mods are censoring you...if only knew how little we care what your views are. We stopped having the energy for that a looong time ago.

If your comments are getting downvoted or flagged, you should try posting more substantive comments and make sure that you're following the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. That will take care of 95% of the problem, and if you experience some of the leftover 5%, we can look into it.

Keep posting your ideas anyway. It's not like we get to turn in our karma for a free eraser or anything. Speak your mind, the orthodoxy usually comes around eventually anyway.

This whole thread was censored by the mods. They're very troubled and sad individuals.

The downvotes are going to the people phrasing things using weird conspiratorial language. You can get much more support by simply saying “I think Apple is doing this because of government pressure behind the scenes”.

It's odd that so many are brainwashed to the point that if anyone who points out obvious collusion and conspiracy gets shouted down by the mob.

Your comment got flagged because it flagrantly broke the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html