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Re:Messaging and chat control by WastingMyTime89 on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:19AM (#28116404)
> far from a direct democracy.

And?

Direct democracies are far worth than representative democracies in practically everyway. The Covid crisis should have made clear to all that people are not policies experts.

Given than no country in the UE significantly uses direct democracy (referendums are pretty much never used and always devolve into a ridiculous race to who can say the most outrageous thing in front of the media), I don't see how that can be leveraged against the institution.

Re:Messaging and chat control by herbst on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:25AM (#28116461)
You realize that Switzerland hasen't voted to wear masks and get restrictions? Having a direct democracy does not mean the gov can't make their own decisions at times.
Re:Messaging and chat control by WastingMyTime89 on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:38AM (#28116625)
Yes, I do realize Switzerland doesn't actually use direct democracy for things that matter and when they do they often end up with xenophobic laws. I don't even want to talk about town assemblies voting on naturalisation decisions.
Re:Messaging and chat control by hhlbf on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:42AM (#28116682)
So if they want to be xenophobic, what's the problem? It's their country and they can do whatever they want with it.
Re:Messaging and chat control by epidemian on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:02PM (#28118541)
I'm not sure if this comment was troll bait; i'm going to reply as if it weren't.

> if they want to be xenophobic, what's the problem?

One of the problems is that even if the majority of people within a country are xenophobic and they get to decide the lays on a majority basis, there will still be people form other countries living there, or people who in general will be disadvantaged by xenophobic laws.

It's nice for laws to not be dictated only by a majority, but by a plurality. Instead of thinking "what benefits >50% of people is the right thing" we can think "what benefits the most people, including minorities", or "what avoids hurting the most people" to be the right things :)

Re:Messaging and chat control by MauranKilom on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:07AM (#28117016)
"So if they want to kill all the Jews, what's the problem? It's their country and they can do whatever they want with it."

Creating laws based on popularity makes populism rule. Hence why democracy usually has an explicit legislative branch abstracting over individual sentiments. That helps prevent policy from being devised through an overly greedy algorithm.

That is not to say it prevents all these problems. But it evidently helps.

Re:Messaging and chat control by thegrimmest on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:23AM (#28117221)
Well, the difference is that you're within your rights when you vote on whom to admit to your house/town/country. You're not within your rights to round up people already there and gas them. Let's not compare the two.
Re:Messaging and chat control by scrollaway on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:32AM (#28118177)
The parent comments are talking about direct democracy and its tendencies in Switzerland. Not specific policies (for you see, such extremes haven't come up for voting there lately). Perfectly comparable.