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Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Sunday August 08, 2021 @10:38PM (#28112206)
Get involved politically. This is the only way to change anything, but it’s extremely unlikely you’ll have any effect.

Next, as an individual who’s likely richer than average (as a programmer on HN) and has the ability to do these things:

1. Don’t have biological children.

2. Don’t eat meat.

3. Don’t drive a car.

4. Don’t fly in planes.

5. Don’t buy things you don’t really need.

6. Live in small/dense housing.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by omosubi on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:01PM (#28112343)
> don't have children.

I don't think this is good advice. Sure humans create more GHGs than non existent humans but nothing will make you more future oriented than having kids (assuming you want them of course) also the kinds of people that help solve climate change are likely to come from the kinds of people who frequent hacker news. If you look at who is most successful in tech, it's often people who come from upper middle class backgrounds, at least in my experience. There are a few outliers of course but they're the exception. Most people don't have the luxury of thinking about climate change

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:08PM (#28112378)
Adopt a kid instead (updated my original post a bit) if you absolutely must.

But trust me, there are plenty of rich HN readers who are going to ignore me. There’s going to be plenty of new rich kids out there to found the next Facebook and then wonder how they can help with climate change before they have a couple more kids.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by subjectsigma on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:36PM (#28112512)
If this is the only answer to climate change, we are fucked. Except for #5 I would be miserable if I had to live like this, and I expect most people in developed countries would be as well.
Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:43PM (#28112553)
Either we change how we live or we’re fucked.

And from what I’ve seen, people don’t mind being fucked tomorrow as long as they’re OK today. Even better if they can be OK-ish tomorrow as long as somebody else gets fucked worse.

Do you really truly believe that there’s going to be a magic climate change solution that allows the developed world to continue living the way it has?

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by jollybean on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:40AM (#28113075)
There is a 'magic climate change solution' it's called 'Nuclear Energy'. We can cleanly provide for our energy needs for the next 10000 years no problem. It just requires conscientious and organized behaviour on our part.

Obviously there are questions as to how well, as a human race, we are organized ... but we can 100% do it, right now. We just have to get a long and act responsibly.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by wnkrshm on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:48AM (#28113407)
We could do a lot of things right now, we could end war forever, we could feed every person on Earth, we could have medical treatment for everyone... why isn't it happening? We are not fighting a technical problem here.
Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:53AM (#28116827)
> We just have to get along and act responsibly

This is the magic climate change solution. You're yada-yada'ing over the part that is going to be all but impossible.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by jollybean on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:41AM (#28117499)
I'm not yada-yada-ing.

We already have huge networks of Nuclear reactors.

France is 85% Nuclear.

The entire Western world could be within a decade.

Do you think we've retrograded and lost our ability to 'do stuff'?

Maybe politically, but not materially.

We know exactly what to do and there are no material barriers to fairly widespread Nuclear Adoption, it just takes a bit of political will.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by toast0 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @01:34AM (#28125447)
> The entire Western world could be within a decade.

It could be, but it's unlikely to be. People in Germany and Japan are quite opposed. In the US, it doesn't make economic sense. Not going to make it to 85% of the western world without those countries on board, even if you don't consider Japan to be in the west.

Regardless of the merits, people don't want these generators near them, and there's not a lot of site options that are close to transmission lines and other important needs, but not close to people.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:27AM (#28118112)
> The entire Western world could be within a decade.

The political capital and will to accomplish what you're describing is absolutely enormous. That's the hard part.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by deepnotderp on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:39AM (#28112807)
> “Do you really truly believe that there’s going to be a magic climate change solution that allows the developed world to continue living the way it has?”

Yes, it’s called nuclear power

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by tuatoru on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:27AM (#28113006)
I literally laughed out loud.

Not going to happen. We need solutions rolled out at global scale by 2030. Nuclear power projects don't have a good track record for speed.

We need solutions that no-one is going to object to and for which the whole supply chain is already huge. Nuclear's cooling water demand alone makes it vulnerable to protest.

I'm hoping that Form's iron-air grid-scale battery is manufacturable, scalable and economical. Shouldn't be too hard to commit a few percent of the world's iron refining capacity to making grid-scale batteries to complement solar and wind power.

If not Form's, then one or more of their competitors' batteries. I sure hope someone cracks it. Last resort, we could use Lithium chemistries, but that wouldn't be so environmentally benign and would take a bit longer to scale out.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by jollybean on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:43AM (#28113091)
You must be young? You do remember when France is 85% Nuclear and they built out their entire national infrastructure very quickly. Or as part of 'cultural memory'? I'm too young, but I remember people talking about it.

We could literally build those identical, 1960's style designs if we absolutely had to.

Of course, we'd build something a little more modern, even just a little more modern Canadian CANDU reactors would work.

We take forever to build them for organizational reasons, not because there's something that's inherently difficult that takes 30 years to do.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by tuatoru on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:29AM (#28113307)
> You must be young?

I wish.

> You do remember when France is 85% Nuclear and they built out their entire national infrastructure very quickly.

No, I don't remember it; I was a long way away and young. I still don't speak French.

Yes, it's a bit sad that we can no longer do what a bunch of French bureaucrats with their 30-hour work weeks and 8-week vacances could do in the 1970s--even when we're desperate.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by jollybean on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:43AM (#28117526)
We could do it immediately.

We could literally copy their not-very-good designs if we had to.

Those plants are still effective and operational and provide a major economy with 85% (!!!) of their electricity.

They build them quickly and it's worked out fine.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by actually_a_dog on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:16AM (#28112955)
Nope. Nuclear can’t save us: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27835924

Well, unless you’re talking about fusion, which, at this point, truly is a “magical” solution.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by tuatoru on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:31AM (#28113027)
Hey, if you're going for magic, why stop at half measures?

Direct matter to energy conversion or nothing!

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by gregjor on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:01PM (#28112342)
The human body is 12% carbon, so every child locks up some carbon. Having children also increase the chances of raising more adults who might solve the big problems.

And don’t waste electricity virtue signaling online.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by paulcole on Sunday August 08, 2021 @11:10PM (#28112392)
I’m not virtue signaling.

Other than the political action thing (honestly think it’s pointless) and the fact that I buy too much crap online, that’s how I live my life.

I just don’t see a way where humans “beat” climate change without an incredible (and incredibly unlikely) shift in how we live our lives.

Re:Ask HN: How can I, a programmer, help with the fight agai... by gregjor on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:02AM (#28112642)
I mostly agree, my comment was facetious. I don’t agree about not having children. Birth rates below replacement cause serious long-term economic and social problems.

Climate change represents a civilization-wide threat that we can only address through intense collective action, and even then it may be too late. Since we seem incapable of collective action with anything serious at stake there’s probably nothing any of us can do individually that will matter.