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Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by mrtksn on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:03PM (#28093777)
IMHO, Unless everything being E2E encrypted becomes the law we can’t do anything about it because that’s not Apple’s initiative but comes from people whose job is to know things and they cannot resist keeping their hands out of these data collecting devices. They promise politicians that all the troubles will go away if we do that.

Child pornography, Terrorism? Solve it the old way.

I don’t know why citizens are obligated to make their jobs easier.

We survived the times when phone calls were not moderated, we survived the times when signal intelligence was not a thing.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by munk-a on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:39PM (#28094073)
Unless I missed a big part of this story Apple isn't being compelled by a court to comply - so if the presence of this tech causes a larger PR stink than publicly backing out of the rollout then Apple will read the writing on the wall.

Public and political pressure is definitely an issue - but it's still soft-pressure so applying more pressure in the other direction will be compelling to Apple.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by mrtksn on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:43PM (#28094117)
Apple was supposed to E2E encrypt everything. Then reports surfaced that FBI complained and they stopped.

The are speculations about this being Apple’s solution to government demands so that they can continue migrating to E2E.

They are trying a solution where the device reports you to the authorities so that Apple gets out of the business of knowing your data.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by mrtksn on Saturday August 07, 2021 @07:14AM (#28097666)
Just to clarify, this "on device content control" defies all the benefits of the E2E encryption because it is "at the end". It will enable Apple to implement E2E and give the authorities a channel to program the devices to report users in possession of content deemed unacceptable by the authorities.
Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by HWR_14 on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:53PM (#28094609)
> Solve it the old way.

In fairness, in the "old way" it was impossible for two random people to communicate in real-time between continents without the ability of authorities to observe/break it.

Privacy and security is quite important, but let's not lose track of the fact that there are many tools authorities have lost in the past few decades. In WWII major powers weren't able to have the same security of military communications as an idiot can today. And that's relative to codebreaking technology.

If I had a good solution, I'd tell you.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by mrtksn on Saturday August 07, 2021 @02:32AM (#28096291)
The difference is that previously you had to be targeted and intercepted. Thinking that someone is listening was something that paranoid people would do.

Now your device is actually watching you and reporting you. Today only for child porn but there’s no technical reason of it not being extended to anything.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by HWR_14 on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:55PM (#28100019)
> The difference is that previously you had to be targeted and intercepted

This is also true, to some degree. I believe all calls to the USSR were monitored, for instance. But the dragnet is thrown much further these days.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by pomian on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:33AM (#28095699)
That was a very well put together comment. Good one.