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Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by sundvor on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:12AM (#28086675)
The privacy implications are fucking horrible.

As an Android user I'd love to gloat, after all Apple have really had the upper edge on privacy so far, and their users have not been shy about telling us. Again and again.

However any pleasure would be as short lived as peeing your pants to keep warm in winter, because if Apple proceeds, Google is bound to follow.

A user monitoring system like this is just ripe for abuse of the most horrific kinds. It must die.

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by judge2020 on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:36AM (#28086950)
Google Photos runs PhotoDNA on all photos there, so it’s no different from Apple scanning photos destined for iCloud photos with similar tech. I guess the only pushback is that apple has decided to do it on-device (still only to photos going to iCloud Photos) instead of server-side, where they have to disable E2EE to do so?
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by Zak on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:37PM (#28089561)
There's a huge difference between Apple scanning files that are on Apple's servers and Apple putting spyware on your encrypted device.
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by formerly_proven on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:54AM (#28087198)
iCloud Photos are not end-to-end encrypted in the first place.
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by judge2020 on Friday August 06, 2021 @10:00AM (#28087248)
This opens the door to doing so. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28081863
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by wayneftw on Friday August 06, 2021 @10:12AM (#28087391)
> I guess the only pushback is that apple has decided to do it on-device.

This is exactly what my problem is. They are using my CPU, battery time and network bandwidth to do this when they should be using their own resources. I know I can turn off iCloud but I am paying for that and we already have an agreement in place.

Honestly, it's the only concrete thing to complain about. Every other complaint is based on a what-if, slippery slope concern.

Of course, as per usual, nobody agrees with me here on HN... but that's fine with me because they simply don't reply which lets me know that they don't have any good arguments against my PoV.

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by jazzyjackson on Friday August 06, 2021 @11:03AM (#28088116)
Consider it’s not very interesting to argue with someone who is set in their ways, and the lack of counter argument is a lack of interest, not a superiority of viewpoint.

Anyway I agree with you, and have been curious what the neural net hardware on the new iPhone will be used for. Turns out it’s for checking my photo library for child abuse, how futuristic!

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by wayneftw on Friday August 06, 2021 @11:29AM (#28088486)
> Consider it’s not very interesting to argue with someone who is set in their ways, and the lack of counter argument is a lack of interest, not a superiority of viewpoint.

I have yet to hear a good counter argument though. If I had heard one, I would have changed my mind. So, I don't think I'm set in my ways. (I actually change my mind often when presented with new evidence!)

I will always consider downvotes without argumentation to be a lazy way of disagreeing and the people who do that I think are set in their ways. Until I hear otherwise, I will continue to consider my argument as superior.

Does anyone really change their mind until they hear a counter to what they already think? I don't think so... I already argued with myself and came up with my opinion on this, so really - I need external arguments to change my mind just like everyone else.

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by stagger87 on Friday August 06, 2021 @01:11PM (#28090094)
You're being downvoted for eschewing website guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by wayneftw on Friday August 06, 2021 @01:17PM (#28090185)
Oh yeah? Which one?

I kind of doubt it because I've been censored for simply asking very straightforward questions with zero adjectives.

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by mrtranscendence on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:11PM (#28090917)
"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by wayneftw on Friday August 06, 2021 @03:59PM (#28092077)
Nah. Maybe that was one from today, but it certainly doesn't apply to the comments I've been referring to.

No, what I gather is that many people cannot change their minds when presented with good evidence. Here's one: They complain about "monocultures" as if they're always bad but when I point out that the Linux kernel created a monoculture and the world hasn't imploded, they have no come-back. So they do the only thing that they can do.

It's fine with me, I wear it as a badge of pride because I know I'm right whenever that happens.

Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by stephen_g on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:37AM (#28086961)
Well, I mean if Gmail has already done this kind of scanning for years (as is reported) then you’d assume Google Photos probably already does too if you sync it to their cloud (as does iCloud on the server side). But yeah, client side is a whole different thing…
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by hef19898 on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:52AM (#28087174)
Out of curiosity, how does Samsung Knox handle privacy?
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by thunkshift1 on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:06PM (#28089088)
What if you choose not to upload photos to iCloud?
Re:An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content S... by snowwrestler on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:17PM (#28089239)
According to Apple, photos are only checked in the process of being uploaded. So if you don’t upload, no check either.