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Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by SilverRed on Thursday August 05, 2021 @01:19AM (#28070162)
No one here has a problem with the worst criminals being taken out. The problem is the scope creep that always comes after.

In 2021 and 2020 we saw people being arrested for planning/promoting anti lockdown protests. Not for actually participating but for simply posting about it. The scope of what "harmful content" is is infinite. You might agree that police do need to take action against these people but surely you can see how the scope creeped from literal terrorists and pedophiles to edgy facebook mums and how that could move even further to simple criticisms of the government or religion.

It's difficult to say how we draw the line to make sure horrible crimes go punished while still protecting reasonable privacy and freedom. I'm guessing apples justification here is that they are not sending your photos to police but simply checking them against known bad hashes and if you are not a pedophile, there will be no matches and none of your data will have been exposed.

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by endgame on Thursday August 05, 2021 @01:57AM (#28070335)
We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by optimiz3 on Thursday August 05, 2021 @02:30AM (#28070539)
Source? Most of these systems didn't disclose location.
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by sdoering on Thursday August 05, 2021 @02:53AM (#28070655)
In Germany police went around and even looked at contact tracing lists (on paper) in restaurants [1]. Even while politicians still stated publicly that these lists were only used (or to be used) for contact tracing.

[1]: https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-konta...

Also the partly state sponsored luca app (check in in locations, festivals, restaurants, concerts) that is privately developed (and riddled with security holes) is already in discussion to use the data on the people to better target them for concert tickets and the like [2].

[2]: https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund...

So we see this data is already in abuse by the state and also by state sponsored private entities.

I believe, that this data, once collected, will only be (ab)used further in the future. In my experience it will be as with all data caches - somebody wants to create additional value from it.

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by ValentineC on Thursday August 05, 2021 @08:28AM (#28072753)
Singapore:

https://fortune.com/2021/02/01/singapore-covid-data-tracetog...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-a...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limitin...

(Note that one mostly-united political party controls 89.2% of Singapore's legislature seats, and can pass any laws or amend its constitution to their liking.)

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by nonlocutor on Thursday August 05, 2021 @06:08AM (#28071740)
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by sharken on Thursday August 05, 2021 @02:26AM (#28070508)
Do you have sources for this ?
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by endgame on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:28AM (#28083933)
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by sdoering on Thursday August 05, 2021 @02:53AM (#28070665)
See my answer to your sister comment from @optimiz3

In Germany police requested contact tracing lists from restaurants in investigations.

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by sharken on Thursday August 05, 2021 @04:31AM (#28071223)
Thank you, it clearly shows that the German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

And the underlying desire for having this information will no doubt prolong the Corona restrictions longer than necessary, which is certainly not in the interest of German citizens.

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by antpol on Saturday August 07, 2021 @02:06PM (#28100576)
> German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing

Oh dear, one thing we could definitely state that German government is absolutely could be trusted to do the right thing

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by bississippi on Thursday August 05, 2021 @02:31AM (#28070546)
We also saw HN shadow banning entire IP CIDR blocks because they didn’t like argument against fleeting CDC guidance that was put forth or the Chinese lab origin theory in 2020. You can’t register from these CIDR blocks. If you had an account before the comments would just end up in a black hole. Dang can explain.
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by dang on Sunday August 08, 2021 @12:11PM (#28107733)
That is false. So was your other false claim that I replied to (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28093879).

Please stop creating accounts to break HN's rules with.

Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by paulcarroty on Thursday August 05, 2021 @07:23AM (#28072221)
Any proofs will be great here.
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by GaryTang on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:52PM (#28078715)
@dang why?
Re:Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday August 05, 2021 @05:48AM (#28071605)
@dang is that true? :O