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Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by HWR_14 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:27PM (#28053724)
Like in many other activities, a "do over" is benefits one side or the other. When used as a punishment for cheating, the do over is usually waived if the team who is being punished lost. See a lot of the objections in legal cases, which are not appealed by the winners but would be if they lost.
Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by inetknght on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:54PM (#28054068)
Unfortunately leaving it at just a "do over" does actual harm to employees; namely that their unjust compensation and work conditions aren't rectified through union action. As long as that's cheaper to Amazon then there's no incentive to change. And so I still believe that this a do over is good direction but not enough.
Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by infogulch on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:46PM (#28053959)
A good example of this is in American Football where a team can waive a flag (heh) that penalizes the other team and replays the down if they prefer the outcome of the play above the potential penalty. A common example, team A passes but the pass is intercepted by team B player, then a player on A does a "holding" foul on the player that did the interception. The punishment for holding usually means you redo the play, but that would give the ball back to team A, clearly team B prefers to keep possession due to interception over slightly punishing and redoing the play with the ball back in A's possession.
Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by bena on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:16PM (#28054331)
Point of order, that would likely be offensive pass interference.

A more common scenario is the defensive team commits an offsides penalty. This is essentially a free play for the offense since they can take the penalty if anything goes wrong, but if they're able to advance the ball a significant amount, they can decline the penalty.

Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by infogulch on Thursday August 05, 2021 @07:07PM (#28081236)
Thank you that is a better example.
Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by somethingwitty1 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:28PM (#28054457)
I understand what you are trying to get at, but the holding you described occurred after the interception (the turnover). So Team B can accept the penalty and would still have the ball.

A slight change of ordering makes your point. Team A drops back to pass and holds a Team B player going towards Team A QB. The QB then throws an interception. In that scenario, Team B would decline the holding penalty, upholding the interception.

Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by bena on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:38PM (#28054558)
You can't commit holding on the ball carrier. It would have to occur before the catch, and in that case, it's offensive pass interference.

Regardless, your second example, of the offense committing holding and the defense declining due to an interception is legit. That happens occasionally.

Re:Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds by somethingwitty1 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @06:03PM (#28054796)
The actual infraction isn't that important (I just interpreted they meant some infraction), but what is important is that they stated the foul happened after the interception, so it could not be OPI, as that must occur after the QB throws and before the player intercepts.

Edit: I think we just took what was more important for the OPs point differently. I took the point as a penalty occurred, not a specific one. And you see it as "how could holding have happened". Which, if we are being pedantic, also wouldn't happen in the scenario you described. If it was called holding, it would have had to occur before the pass, making it not OPI. =).