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Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by thow-01187 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @11:17AM (#28050209)
Unfortunately, low fertility rate is not a one-time problem of boomer generation followed by a stable plateau. It leads to a perpetual spiral of gerontocracy, high dependency ratios, under-investments and general vitality being sapped out of the populace. It's no coincidence that Italy and Japan, once vigorous and creative, are not exactly bursting with enthusiasm in the past ~20-30 years
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by simonh on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @11:56AM (#28050764)
I understand japan isn't as exciting as it used to be, but they still have a pretty dynamic and influential popular culture. I understand their working population is declining relative to retirees, but eventually those old people will start to die. Anyway, its not as if this will be some sort of old people zombie apocalypse.
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by atom_arranger on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @11:46AM (#28050620)
Random idea:

What if the votes of each age group were weighted to account for the size of that group, e.g. making the votes of 18-20 have the same weight as the votes of 40-42, even if there may be more people in the 40-42 group.

This would prevent an aging population from giving too many benefits to older age groups, and would encourage policies that consider long term impacts more.

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by namarie on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @11:56AM (#28050760)
> What if the votes of each age group were weighted

Because the principle of "one person, one vote" is widely (and correctly IMO) accepted.

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by mjmahone17 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:12PM (#28050963)
In many places and for certain purposes (the US and the EU for instance), geographical regions have one vote, regardless of their population size.

It’s unclear that an age-based distribution instead of geographic distribution would be worse. But it would probably be unrealistic to achieve without basically completely upending existing political structures.

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by rat87 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:36PM (#28052533)
The EU isn't one country

The US is one country and disparate voting power between states(mainly in the Senate, to a lesser extent with the electoral college) is a real problem. I see little reason to make it worse. Although it's useful to rhetoric out how little sense the current system makes

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by harpersealtako on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:36PM (#28053182)
The point of having both proportional and state-based voting is to incentivize both small and large states to stay in the union. The optimization is for political unity over perfectly representative democracy. It makes perfect sense when you consider the ideals and goals of its implementation -- that being a compromise in order to convince both small states and large states to cede large parts of their sovereignty to what at the time were effectively foreign nations.
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by int_19h on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @07:31PM (#28055547)
This made sense back when the states were actually mostly self-governing polities, and there were relatively few pertinent issues on the federal level. But this is no longer the case today, and in practice, EC and Senate result in a "tyranny of the minority", where the minority can not only veto the majority's agenda, but actually push their own instead.
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by harpersealtako on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:45PM (#28089675)
The small states who have excess control in the Senate cannot tyrannize the large states (except by maintaining the status quo), because the House of Representatives still exists. No new policy can get passed unless both a majority of states' representatives and a majority of the population's representatives agree -- if they disagree, the worst you get is gridlock, not "tyranny of the minority".
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by entropicdrifter on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:20PM (#28052342)
And this system wildly over-represents the landowning elites as a result
Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by vkou on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:50PM (#28051384)
One person, one vote is proportional representation, which is not widely practiced.

What is actually practiced is 'One collection of zip codes, one vote.'

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by benrbray on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:51PM (#28051402)
You don't need to weight the groups, since everyone experiences all ages (not counting early death).

My proposal is: Multiply the number of house reps and senators by ten (for instance). Each representative now represents a district / state as well as a decade of life (for instance). When voting for an age-graded role, your vote only counts towards the decade of life that you're currently in. You can only run for a position that matches your age range.

This would have a number of advantages: Disrupt two-party dynamics. Increase granularity of representation. It's harder for older folks to take younger folks hostage. Younger folks will feel more enthusiastic about voting for someone who actually represents them.

Probably, you'd want to fiddle with the numbers based on age demographics. 7-year intervals is probably the right number, with a big bucket for people over a certain age. (So, 18, 25, 32, 39, 46, 53, 60, 67, 74+) might be right.

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by entropicdrifter on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:19PM (#28052332)
>Disrupt two-party dynamics

and that's why it'll never happen without a revolution

Re:South Korea: The only middle power of its kind by gedy on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:07PM (#28050907)