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Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by jareklupinski on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:46AM (#28033283)
i too stopped ordering tomatos for this reason

some people mentioned looking for places that advertise using heirloom tomatos, but you still have to give them a good pinch of salt

would love to join a startup that re-engineers flavor back into commercially-viable crops

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by LAC-Tech on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:17PM (#28044359)
I've actually thought about this before. AFAICT, it's mostly a supply chain issue.

In order to ship fruit long distance, they're harvested before they're ready, and artificially ripened in frozen containers. This lets them survive long journeys but kills a lot of the taste.

So your company would end up being a traceability and logistics one - what's the nearest place to your customers that grow fruit, how can you prove it, and how can you get it in their hands.

(Last two contracts were in artificial fruit ripening and supply chain traceability respectively).

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by fatnoah on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:09AM (#28049369)
I lived in a city and had a roofdeck with full sun all day. Tomatos grew amazingly well up there, and the flavor of those ripe tomatoes was so amazing that we had them with nearly every meal. It also made buying tomatos from the grocery store totally impossible.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by AlanYx on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:34AM (#28049686)
I've noticed that full sun makes a surprisingly big difference, even with the naturally good tasting heirloom varieties (Cherokee purple, Brandywine, etc.).

I wonder what the science there is. You'd think the slower ripening in partial shade (often a week or more slower) would result in a more complex tasting tomato, but perhaps the flavor compounds never reach a critical mass.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by Evidlo on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:57PM (#28044600)
Grape tomatoes in plastic containers are usually more flavorful because the seller doesn't have to ship them underripe to keep them from squishing.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by Ygg2 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:19AM (#28045681)
They too are starting to taste more like cardboard.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by titzer on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:15AM (#28037654)
Just move to Europe.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dagw on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:00PM (#28038404)
Most tomatoes here suck as well.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by jbverschoor on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:55PM (#28039249)
Bulgaria, Greece
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by yread on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:53PM (#28039212)
Just always get beefsteak tomatoes for burgers
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by randerson on Monday August 02, 2021 @09:38PM (#28044816)
Or Africa. Each time I've visited I've remarked on how much more flavor things have.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by liotier on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:58AM (#28047373)
Frequent travels to Africa have made me incapable of swallowing pineapple and mangoes in Europe - they can't compete against fruit picked ripe.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dnzkw on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:58AM (#28038375)
Sorry to tell you tomatoes are flavourless in Europe as well.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by titzer on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:42PM (#28039039)
I lived almost 7 years in Germany, and the average tomato at a supermarket was lightyears beyond the US. Then farmers markets are even better.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by bserge on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @08:05AM (#28048207)
Funny enough, the further east you go, the better they taste.

But tbf, only for a few months when the many small farmers grow them outdoors and sell them for unbelievably cheap.

Rest of the time it's greenhouse tomatoes like everyone else.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by tajustice1 on Monday August 02, 2021 @04:31PM (#28042239)
I lived almost 7 years in the USA, and the average tomato at a supermarket was lightyears beyond Germany. Then farmers markets are even better.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by LAC-Tech on Monday August 02, 2021 @09:59PM (#28044939)
I am willing to participate in a blind taste test to resolve this issue.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by watwut on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:15PM (#28038613)
Yep. You have to grow own tomatoes to have good ones. Which is something only few people are willing and have option to do.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by hoseja on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:08AM (#28046437)
Except the available seeds are probably decreasing in quality as well.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by Vrondi on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:07PM (#28054240)
No, there are places dedicated to preserving and making available heirloom seeds.

Southern Exposure Seed Exchange: https://www.southernexposure.com/

Seed Savers Exchange https://www.seedsavers.org/

Open Source Seed Initiative partners with multiple seed exchanges: https://osseeds.org/

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by bserge on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @08:08AM (#28048226)
Is there a market for good tasting tomato seeds? :D

It's actually fascinating - I remember my grandmother scooping out the seeds out of vegetables and drying them, to be used next year.

The villagers also traded them as apparently they had different varieties.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dekhn on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @09:54AM (#28049194)