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Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by toomuchtodo on Sunday August 01, 2021 @06:43PM (#28030889)
Merchant fee (same as paid by a merchant when accepting a CC) which subsidizes the zero percent financing payment plan to the consumer.
Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by softveda on Sunday August 01, 2021 @09:21PM (#28031939)
They are in a regulatory blackhole, in Australia merchant fees are tightly regulated, cannot be more than actual processing cost. Many companies here charge more to pay bills by credit card or shops have minimum amount before credit cads are accepted. Moreover since Afterpay technically doesn't give consumer credit they are not bound by national credit rules as well. They don't and can't do credit checks
Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by ivirshup on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:07PM (#28032170)
Presumably this extends beyond Australia though, right? As Square paying $1,000 per Australian would be a bit high.
Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by AussieWog93 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @07:14PM (#28031154)
Just to expand upon what the parent said, their fee is significantly higher than the companies that just process credit cards (around 6% compared to the industry standard rate of 2.9%).

I believe they eat the loss when the customer defaults, though.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by systemvoltage on Sunday August 01, 2021 @09:39PM (#28032044)
Oh boy...so this 6% fee is then indirectly passed onto consumers.
Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by jeeeb on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:09AM (#28032771)
To play devil’s advocate though, if a 6% payment fee allows a merchant to make a sale they wouldn’t have otherwise made, then that might be a net win from their perspective. I.E. eating some decrease in profit is better than making nothing at all.

It’s basically the app version of offering interest free payments on a purchase.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by systemvoltage on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:13AM (#28032800)
Totally agree - I was just poiting out that just like 2.9% credit card fees that get ammortized over the total sales by the means of higher prices (meaning even if you use cash, you don't get a discount[1]), the 6% has to come from somewhere.

[1] Some gas stations have a different cash rate to pass the savings on to the customer

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by AussieWog93 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @09:43PM (#28032061)
Yep. To be fair, so are the (lower, but non-zero) fees from Visa/MasterCard/Amex/PayPal.

It's a textbook example of an externality.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by roenxi on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:18PM (#28032228)
The fee is paid by the customer. It isn't an externality. An externality is when the cost is paid by someone who isn't party to the transaction.
Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by AussieWog93 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:40PM (#28032349)
>The fee is paid by the customer.

No it isn't. It's literally against their TOS for merchants to add on a surcharge for using Afterpay.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by roenxi on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:11AM (#28034477)
And yet, magically and by the power of the market, the fee will still be paid for by customers. It isn't like the merchant has a non-customer source of income. The money has to be coming from them.

If you don't want to pay the surcharge, shop somewhere that doesn't offer Afterpay. Or somewhere that doesn't honour the TOS, I once got an extra egg in my soup for paying cash.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by AussieWog93 on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:36PM (#28043559)
>And yet, magically and by the power of the market, the fee will still be paid for by customers.

Yes, by all the customers, including those that don't use Afterpay.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by roenxi on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:02AM (#28046744)
Which doesn't make it an externality, because they are still choosing to use the vendor. My favourite take-out place for a solid 2 years was the cheapest on the street and probably because they didn't support Afterpay or credit cards. The customer has all the power to avoid the cost if they want to.

They pay the Afterpay surcharge because they want a standard shopping experience that supports lots of different ways of paying. If they want to shop on price Afterpay will vanish from their view.

Re:Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B by misiti3780 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @06:50PM (#28030932)
thanks!