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Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:49AM (#28024845)
What is with Australia and it’s authoritarian bend? First soldiers are enforcing their covid curfew and now this?

And nothing but support. Seems like some of the authoritarian culture of SE Asia (Singapore, Indonesia, etc) has rubbed off on them? The UK is far more anti-authoritarian.

No doubt any video about a lab source of Covid would have been banned too.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tvphan on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:56AM (#28024887)
YouTube is an American company.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:25AM (#28025015)
You don’t think they had any discussion with the AUS govt
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by nineteen999 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @07:52AM (#28025625)
The current Australian Federal Government is a right wing conservative coalition, and the Murdoch media has traditionally been their mouthpiece here.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @08:12AM (#28025718)
But current federal govt supports the lockdowns right?
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by nineteen999 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @08:19AM (#28025749)
Sort of - in this case they have no choice. They previously held up New South Wales as the "gold standard" in contract tracing and halting the spread of the virus; so if the NSW Government says they have to lock down, the Federal Government pretty much has to go along with it.

But you can be sure that as soon as NSW's case numbers come down enough, the Federal Government will pressure them to start lifting restrictions, as they did towards the end of Victoria's 4 month lockdown last year.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tomhoward on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:17PM (#28027389)
The federal government is very reluctantly accepting of these lockdowns, having been strongly opposed to lockdowns previously in states governed by the opposing party. They are not so supportive that they would conspire with YouTube to censor Sky News, which is their most friendly media outlet in the country.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by danielmarkbruce on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:00AM (#28024912)
Australians, for whatever reason, don't have the same concern for civil liberties that Americans have. I can't explain why, but as a citizen it's a little troubling.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by scottmcdot on Sunday August 01, 2021 @09:19AM (#28026070)
Could be because our (the Australian) government looks after us a bit better than the American government looks after their people? I mean a good, free healthcare system, university fees aren't through the roof, reasonable minimum wages, comfortable standard of living.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by danielmarkbruce on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:49PM (#28030399)
That might be right, but do they need to be mutually exclusive? The policy on healthcare, education and minimum wages could be made while maintaining strong civil liberties (I think?).

An interesting difference to highlight - the statement "government looks after us" is something many folks in the US would find strange. The US views government more "of the people, by the people, for the people" - ie the government is us governing ourselves.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:39AM (#28026544)
Yeah, but seems Europe gets that without the loss of liberty?
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by shephardjhon on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:30PM (#28028174)
Does your "civil liberties" concerns include far left or even Islamist content? No? And before you downvote "I'm just asking questions" as probably your favourite broadcaster says.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by danielmarkbruce on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:38PM (#28030277)
Yes, it does.

I'm not sure who my favorite broadcaster is supposed to be, I don't live in Australia. Maybe Alan Jones? He seems controversial but I've never listened to him.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by iratic0 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:55AM (#28024883)
Lying to the public to maintain power, keeps their hands on the government purse. Loss of trust in institutions. Loss of sense of prestige in the traditional tracks, they make up for it by becoming authoritarian to maintain sense of utility.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:41AM (#28026559)
This has been apparent in the US. Our govt tells us small lies for the greater good - early in the pandemic masks weren’t needed - better to tell them they didn’t work so there were enough for healthcare workers.

Works great until the situation changes and you need people to wear masks. Not only do people question why things have changed, they start to ask what else you’re lying about for “the greater good”.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by thinkingemote on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:58AM (#28024898)
I'm not sure. I'm not sure it is authoritarian, but there is support for this action. It might be something to do with its general classless style of politics or it could be due to a very recent coronavirus scare in the major city after months of peace. I also suspect that culturally users there don't have the same history of freedom of expression as other places. I'm guessing but it's interesting.

I hope a disinterested and calm australian user can see through what's going on and educate the rest of us.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by rstuart4133 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @08:02PM (#28031473)
I'm Australian, and one thing I've noticed is when people from other countries describe working with us, they say we are some of the loudest biggest wingers on the planet. Perhaps that gets the nuance slightly wrong, but the general complaint is if an Australian thinks something is wrong, he will tell you long and loudly, and most importantly he will do so regardless of his relative rank to you. I gather other cultures are taken by surprise when a Australian worker tells his boss to his face exactly what he is doing wrong.

I suspect he fundamental difference between US citizens is while both cultures aren't authoritarian, unlike the USA Australian's don't hold authority in disdain either. They aren't scared it - they are happy to delegate responsibility and decisions to a central authority where that makes sense. I suspect that is precisely because they are confident in questioning it, and confident they can overturn it if it isn't working out.

The lock down's were far more controversial at the start, when nobody had an idea what the cost of them where compared to the alternative. There were vigorous discussions in the media and elsewhere about the right approach, to the extent that different states took very different approaches, one literally shutting it's borders to all other states.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. It is now clear what the right approach both economically and health wise - and that is to stop the disease dead in it's tracks so you can re-open the economy a soon as possible. That's obviously is the best approach health wise, and it turns out it's also the best approach economically. We know that because the state that locked down hardest and returned to growth before everyone else, and Australia is now growing economically faster than it has in years, and this happened before just about every other country on the planet.

Lock down's are highly intrusive on personal liberties of course. You have to stay at home unless you have a reason, you have to wear masks, you have to "check in" at every shop you visit by scanning a bar code. The rules are policed. It is with a light touch you will get several warnings and you will be given a mask if you don't have one, but if you continue refuse to comply the law you will be prosecuted.

Still, it's acknowledged by everyone except nutters it works exceptionally well (and in fact it appears to be the only thing that does work short of full vaccination), and the governments are very careful to lift the restrictions as soon as the threat passes. And as I said, Australian's aren't afraid of authority. It's just a tool - you deploy it when it works.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tomhoward on Sunday August 01, 2021 @09:28AM (#28026107)
This long Twitter thread from yesterday by Gray Connolly (who is quite libertarian/conservative himself) addresses this question directly:

https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1421461574389145600

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tomhoward on Sunday August 01, 2021 @11:51AM (#28027162)
Also, "soldiers are enforcing their covid curfew" is not an accurate characterisation of what's going on here. (I'm not in Sydney where the major outbreaks/restrictions are happening now but I'm in Melbourne where they were last year, and the military involvement then was the same).

For a start, there's no "curfew". There is a stay-at-home order, but people are still allowed go out where necessary for shopping, exercise, education and work. The main restriction is on visiting other people's homes.

Military personnel have been deployed to provide logistical support and additional bodies to help police, medical and welfare services. They're helping set up and staff covid testing facilities, and doing checks on infected people quarantining, both for compliance and welfare. And yep there's also some walking around the streets with police, but there's basically no hostile engagement with citizens or anything remotely like martial law. Mostly it's polite reminders to people of what they need to do - i.e., just wear masks and avoid gathering in big groups.

Most people are accepting of it as Australians are not accustomed to or comfortable with a serious disease just tearing through the community causing significant numbers of deaths, so they're accepting of measures to prevent that from happening.

> No doubt any video about a lab source of Covid would have been banned too.

Nothing remotely like this has happened. I've watched plenty of videos about this, as well as many about vaccine concerns, ivermectin, etc. Australia isn't restricting any content like this at all.

The only blocking of content is being done by YouTube in the USA.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @07:36PM (#28031297)
A lot of semantics it seems. “No curfew” just “restrictions on when you can leave your home”. So basically a curfew.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tomhoward on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:10AM (#28033394)
People getting histrionic about this try to portray it as though there are tanks rolling down the streets and weapons shoved in people’s faces.

In reality it’s a few uniformed personnel out with police saying “hey guys if you could just put a mask on that’d be great”. Sure if people refuse they get fined by the police, because, you know, rule of law matters.

The reality of this is not as outrageous as some people want to imagine. Various forms of lockdowns have happened all over the world, with varying degrees of success. Australia has so far kept total covid fatalities under 1000, avoided medical systems being overwhelmed, and kept the economy going quite well.

We can debate the relative merits of masks and lockdowns vs “letting it rip”. I continue to contemplate and research it and waver in my own position. I don’t know how anyone couldn’t, given that no position is without huge costs, whether to short-term liberties and economic wellbeing or to long-term health and survival.

But if you’re going to have restrictions, like so many other countries have done, Australia’s use of the military as a part of managing them has been very restrained and benign. Australians are accustomed to the military helping out during natural disasters - bushfires, floods, etc. They see this involvement no differently.

If you want to continue the discussion, it would be helpful for you to consider and signal whether you actually want to understand the way things are in Australia, vs just heaping scorn on it.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @07:35PM (#28031282)
Doesn’t seem all that convincing. Canada is a monarchy, they never rebelled, yet there would be considerable resistance to many of the same things.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by tomhoward on Monday August 02, 2021 @09:12AM (#28036056)
Plenty of Canadian provinces have had lockdowns, as have many other places in the world. This article details how they were implemented and enforced in Ontario: https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/61192/ontario-strengthens...

Some of those restrictions are stricter than any in Australia have been. And, as per the article, they're being actively enforced by the police, same as Australia. The military isn't doing that kind of enforcement in Australia.

Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by 0xdeadb00f on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:20AM (#28024999)
There are no soldiers nor even police enforcing my COVID curfew. And YouTube hasn't blocked me access to videos theorising about the lab source.
Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by TMWNN on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @07:38AM (#28059798)
That's the case now. There was a block for a full year.
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Re:Sky News Australia has been suspended from YouTube after ... by refurb on Sunday August 01, 2021 @08:16AM (#28025736)
I think you replied to the wrong thread?