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Re:The Playdate store is now open by smoldesu on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:49PM (#28000579)
I love Teenage Engineering, but talk about a horrible price point. $200 can buy you a Nintendo Switch these days, or half a Steam Deck. Without the viral marketing/limited supply, this wouldn't have moved half the units it did.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by sosborn on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:05PM (#28000810)
If you want to play steam games or Nintendo games this isn’t the device for you. If you want to play Playdate games then this is your best bet. In other words, apples and oranges.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by fumar on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:59PM (#28002010)
It still a video game playing device, no? We still compared a game gear vs a gameboy in the 90's or a DS vs a PSP in the 2000's.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by sosborn on Thursday July 29, 2021 @06:13PM (#28002137)
It's like a contractor who needs a truck wondering why someone would buy a Mini. They are similar, but the market needs they solve are totally different.
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Re:The Playdate store is now open by sosborn on Thursday July 29, 2021 @08:36PM (#28003209)
And I was talking about four wheeled vehicles. What's the difference?
Re:The Playdate store is now open by jhatemyjob on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:35PM (#28003517)
Not much. Cars and video game consoles are basically the same thing.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by antidaily on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:52PM (#28001347)
Thanks for clarifying.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by paxys on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:09PM (#28001545)
Honestly if you "love" Teenage Engineering then you should be willing to fork out $200 for this. Think of it more as the tech equivalent of a sneaker drop. No one asks why Yeezys go for thousands while you can get an equivalent running shoe for $50.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by Dayshine on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:25PM (#28001689)
> No one asks why Yeezys go for thousands while you can get an equivalent running shoe for $50.

People spend thousands on shoes?

Re:The Playdate store is now open by kemayo on Thursday July 29, 2021 @06:24PM (#28002219)
Sure, even if we ignore the sneaker thing. You've always been able to buy fancy dress shoes and boots for a lot of money. Granted, getting to thousands plural is a sure sign that you've gone over into excess, but...

The kind of weird thing with the "sneaker drop" phenomenon, as I understand it, is that it's shoe companies releasing fairly small batches of all their products at not-insane prices, and there being a fully developed secondary market of shoe reselling where the demand-based price inflation kicks in.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by throaway3141593 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:53PM (#28003615)
People spend thousands on a dress, a bottle of wine, a watch, a handbag, an engagement ring, and many other things.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by jumelles on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:51PM (#28003941)
Oh wow you are in for a surprise!
Re:The Playdate store is now open by sp332 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:51PM (#28000624)
The price also includes 24 games delivered over the first year. Also the SDK will be free.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by smoldesu on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:59PM (#28000721)
Maybe so, but at the end of the day it's still a Gameboy with updated internals. Even if Apple made this thing, it's a hard sell at $199.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by mulderc on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:12PM (#28000890)
The Gameboy was introduced in 1989 with a price of $89 USD, factor inflation and that would cost $195 today.

None of the games on play date will be as good as the pack in Tetris game on gameboy but the price doesn’t seem that bad when put into context.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by salamandersauce on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:37PM (#28001804)
It's expensive when you consider you can get faster devices with better screens, more buttons etc. for less than half the price these days. A Retroid Pocket 2 is $80, has a 3.5" color screen, analog sticks, includes a 32GB microSD card, HDMI out and a quad core processor.

When the Game Boy launched the nearest competitors were either technically better but far more expensive like the Lynx, Game Gear and Turbo Express or cheap terrible things like Tiger LCD handhelds. If the Game Gear was half the price would the Game Boy been as well received?

Yes the Playdate comes with a bunch of games but most of them are unknown and the handful shown so far don't seem $200 worthy IMO.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by w0m on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:07PM (#28000823)
Apparently not that hard of a sell if it sold out in 20m.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by incanus77 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:02PM (#28000761)
I mean, a Tesla is basically a 70s Honda with updated internals.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by Marazan on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:12PM (#28000881)
You can unlock the back door of the honda if the electrics fail.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by thaumasiotes on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:36PM (#28001171)
Like he said, updated internals.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by Nav_Panel on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:05PM (#28000802)
Just wish I could get a Tesla that looks like a 70s Honda!
Re:The Playdate store is now open by imtringued on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:33PM (#28001148)
You mean in the sense that both are metal cages on wheels?
Re:The Playdate store is now open by asadlionpk on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:22PM (#28001652)
All CPUs are just rocks that we tricked into computing. Why buy a computer?
Re:The Playdate store is now open by speedgoose on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:09PM (#28000851)
All Teenage Engineering products are overpriced. They are some kind of premium / luxury brand.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by smoldesu on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:46PM (#28001293)
I own a few Pocket Operators, and I'd daresay that they're underpriced.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by knownjorbist on Thursday July 29, 2021 @06:36PM (#28002310)
Those are basically the exception.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by smoldesu on Friday July 30, 2021 @12:21PM (#28009608)
I don't entirely agree. They've collaborated on all kinds of budget products (Ikea speakers, Nothing earbuds, etc.) and even sell quite a few low-cost modular synths. Their accessories are well-priced, and even the OP-Z holds it's own. As far as I know, Teenage Engineering used to make plenty of budget hardware, until the OP-1 took off and they halted production of everything else to focus on it (as well as raising the price).
Re:The Playdate store is now open by zepto on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:50PM (#28001324)
> $200 can buy you a Nintendo Switch these days, or half a Steam Deck

If these could play the playdate’s games, you’d have a point. As it is they are not substitutable products, so price is not the only factor determining sales volume.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by hypertele-Xii on Friday July 30, 2021 @01:07PM (#28010043)
If only playdate games specifically (and even more specifically, potential future playdate games) weren't something so unique and revolutionary that one could be entertained by other, competing, more reasonably priced alternatives.
Re:The Playdate store is now open by zepto on Friday July 30, 2021 @01:37PM (#28010364)
It’s not really clear what you are trying to say here. If you are trying to be sarcastic, it fails.

Playdate is a boutique product selling a few tens of thousands of units. In fact the games are unique.

The fact that there are other cheaper games which sell in much larger volumes is irrelevant to whether there is a market for a boutique gaming experience.

We know they don’t substitute because if they did, people wouldn’t buy the playdate.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by hypertele-Xii on Saturday July 31, 2021 @07:36AM (#28017197)
> We know they don’t substitute because if they did, people wouldn’t buy the playdate.

No, all we know is that the people buying the playdate think they don't substitute. Whether these people end up being correct is completely speculative at this point. I'd like to hear an analysis why the same experience couldn't be had elsewhere, preferably by a seasoned game designer.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by zepto on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:55PM (#28023097)
You are not correct.

We know for certain that the games are exclusive to the play date and were written for the platform. Therefore we know that the same experience cannot be had elsewhere.

Even if the titles weren’t contractually exclusive, no other handheld device has the same combination of inputs, notably the crank, so ports of the games would not play the same.

Even if neither of these were true (which they are) we know the games are currently exclusive and have not been ported. Temporary exclusivity is a standard way to create non-substitution in entertainment businesses.

(I was a developer at a successful games company for 4 years. Not that an appeal to authority has any relevance. The facts are public.)

Re:The Playdate store is now open by hypertele-Xii on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:26AM (#28035271)
"Exclusive" is different from "without substitute".

The crank isn't special. They're making it out to be, but it isn't. Any device with an analog stick can achieve the same. In 1996 Super Mario 64 on the then-new Nintendo 64 had players spinning the analog stick in rotary motion to spin Bowser by the tail. The Steam controller (and the new Deck) have track pads that can emulate rotation. The Nintendo DS had a touch screen you could draw circles on. Every computer mouse since like 30 years ago has had a scroll wheel. Heck in my local game museum there's an ancient Pong game console and the controllers literally have only knobs to twist to move the paddles. Stop pretending like this is some novel innovation.

Re:The Playdate store is now open by yourad_io on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:33PM (#28003496)
> talk about a horrible price point

And yet they sold 20K of them in 20 minutes...

Re:The Playdate store is now open by philistine on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:07PM (#28003675)
There is no limited supply. There are 20,000 units guaranteed to ship in 2021, and then it ships somewhere in 2022.