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Re:Why We Compete with Google by mattmaroon on Monday August 18, 2008 @11:51PM (#279996)
That is the worst logic I've ever seen. Loosely translated:

"Microsoft makes hit tons of money, both per employee and overall, a huge chunk of which comes from their Office products. Google makes slightly more money per employee, but far less overall, none of which comes from their Office products.

Therefore, Google would not want to succeed in the Office space. Why? Because Adobe doesn't make all that much."

Huh? I'm just going to assume, since the poster's name is Sridhar, that he actually just doesn't speak English well enough to express his thoughts coherently, because it is either that or he doesn't have them.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by sutro on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @01:21AM (#280067)
The logic is that Google, whose Internet cash cow probably has more milk left in it than Microsoft's Office/OS cash cow, is already more profitable per employee than Microsoft, so its incursion into the Office space is not a serious quest for higher margins but rather a tactical move made primarily to put Microsoft on the defensive. It makes perfect sense.

Not knowing anything about you or your startup, I will nevertheless go out on a limb and guess that Sridhar Vembu's English is better than your Hindi, and that his fully bootstrapped startup's $40 million in revenues and $12 million in profits [1] puts it in better financial condition than your business.

Try to open your mind and learn something from the man behind one of the most successful fully bootstrapped tech businesses in the game today. Most entrepreneurs wouldn't consider going up against both Microsoft and Google with no investment backing, but Vembu saw an opportunity, took a big risk, and is now in a position to reap sizable and well-deserved rewards.

[1] http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/02/22/mitra-zoho-india...

Re:Why We Compete with Google by mattmaroon on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @01:48AM (#280094)
It doesn't make sense. Office is a very high margin business. Surely Google won't achieve the profit margins MS has even if they take it over, but it will still be substantial.

Revenue per employee is largely an arbitrary number as well, hence I object to its being used as evidence for anything. You could just as well use revenue per unit of cheese consumed in the cafeteria on Tuesdays to prove your point.

I didn't write a babbling incoherent article in Hindi, but if I do than that observation would make sense. He, however, wrote one in English.

Also, his startup success (or mine) doesn't have anything to do with whether or not that article is logically coherent.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by netcan on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @02:36AM (#280138)
I don't think the argument is about (or entirely about) attractiveness (or lack thereof) of high margin sectors. It's about being able to thrive in that kind of environment.

For example, Apple cannot thrive in the same kind of environment as Dell. Apple's corporate culture, habits & history would put it at a disadvantage in a world where margins are thin because it has not evolved or been optimised for that environment. In a world where competitively driving down costs via stock turnaround times & cheap production determine success Dell has the upper hand.

Similarly, in a world where revenue per employee is low, a company such as Google might be ill equipped.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with this position (I don't really know enough to). I'm sure you could argue other forces at play might be more significant or that his assumptions about Google's tactics are incorrect. But it's not nonsensical.

What I did find unclear was which category he places himself in: SMB software or enterprise. But that's a limitation of the medium (personal blogs). Some background is assumed. I'm willing to take that as it means writers don't have to start from scratch.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by pramodsub on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @11:10AM (#280399)
>> Revenue per employee is largely an arbitrary number as well, hence I object to its being used as evidence for anything.

I disagree. It is a pretty good quantitative measure of how your business is setup. How much money a company has obviously affects its decisions in a big way, and it is only logical that how much money a company has to spend per empolyee affects the business decisions it makes. I am not taking a position for/against the rest of the article, but you argument that revenue per employee shouldn't be used as evidence for anything does not pass muster.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by startingup on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @11:30AM (#280421)
All business is about adding value, so that your output is bigger than your input. The most important input in a tech company is human labor.

Google is the most efficient at this game today, as measured by how they transform their human labor into value. Revenue per employee is the best proxy for value-added per employee.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by shabda on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @12:37AM (#280032)
(The you read the Innovators Dilemma? They argue this point very well..) The logic goes something like this, as companies grow, they tend to move from lower profit margin businesses to higher profit margin businesses. Each company needs a specific profit margin over their overhead costs to justify investment of resources. Google with find it hard to invest in lower margin Office Suite business.

> 2. I'm just going to assume, since the poster's name is Sridhar, that he actually just doesn't speak English ...

Thats generally a wrong assumption, I have lived in India all my life, and >70% of my communication is in English. I am pretty sure everyone at Zoho uses English at Office

Re:Why We Compete with Google by mattmaroon on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @01:44AM (#280087)
Wow, way to cut my sentence off and attack it. How does this get voted up? Read PG's article about how to argue.

Also, Office is an incredibly high-margin business. Google isn't moving into it because they don't expect it to return cash if it succeeds.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by bluishgreen on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @02:31AM (#280134)
"Huh? I'm just going to assume, since the poster's name is Sridhar..."

I stopped reading after this, since I understand that you cant complete such a sentence into something which will make any sense. Yes, we can all use a reading/re-reading of PGs article on how to make/present an argument.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by mattmaroon on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @07:56PM (#281004)
Well, perhaps that came off differently than I meant it. His article came across as rambling and incoherent, and I was saying that may be due to English not being his primary language rather than a poor thought process. It's very hard to argue in a second tongue. Much harder than simply conversing.

Nonetheless, I'm appalled that someone can cut my sentence in half, argue with an entirely different statement than the one I made, and get voted up that far.

Re:Why We Compete with Google by sutro on Wednesday August 20, 2008 @04:59AM (#281321)
So you're appalled when someone excerpts your own words in a threaded discussion, with the full quotation available above the excerpt, but you're fine with putting quotation marks around completely bogus "loose translations" of what other people say so you can argue against straw men instead of their actual statements? To quote you, if I may, "that is the worst logic I've ever seen."