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Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by userbinator on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:34AM (#27947223)
This reads like fearmongering paranoia-propaganda for driving people towards the authoritarian centralised walled gardens...

The problem is once you give an app perission then you never know when it's turning on the mic or the camera.

The microphone and camera are unplugged when not in use.

"secure"? No thanks, I'd rather sacrifice some security and keep my freedom. We're already losing the war against general-purpose computing.

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by goes_brrrrrr on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:12AM (#27947388)
> The microphone and camera are unplugged when not in use.

I guess you don't use any laptops than.

> I'd rather sacrifice some security and keep my freedom. We're already losing the war against general-purpose computing.

That's a false dichotomy. As a user you can give all the permissions you want to a sandboxed app you want to use. The only one losing freedom is the potential malware writer.

If you are true to this sentiment, I guess you run everything under the root/admin account of the computer, because that gives you maximum freedom, right? A non-root user is a sandboxed user.

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by summm on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:01AM (#27947793)
I don't have to run everything as root. I just need the option to easily run something as root when I choose to. An option that is denied to me on those walled garden phone OSes.
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by chrisseaton on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:21AM (#27947430)
> The microphone and camera are unplugged when not in use.

Seems really inconvenient to have to physical unplug things when you're not using them. And in laptops and other integrated devices you can't unplug them.

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by fsflover on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:02AM (#27947797)
> And in laptops and other integrated devices you can't unplug them.

This is why Purism makes laptops and phones with kill switches: https://puri.sm/security/

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by joseluis on Sunday July 25, 2021 @04:45AM (#27947730)
but you can always put small physical switches anywhere in the device to turn them off by hardware.
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by elpescado on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:42AM (#27948194)
Same here. When I don't want random apps sniffing my files, I just unplug my HDD!
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by code_duck on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:14AM (#27947398)
Like many here, I’m sure, I would love to be able to physically disable my camera and microphone somehow but do not have that option.
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by fsflover on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:03AM (#27947798)
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by code_duck on Sunday July 25, 2021 @10:21AM (#27949362)
That’s cool! I could envision buying something like that someday, but in the meantime and for the past 10 years I was hoping to do it with a MacBook Pro and an iPhone.
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by edu-ap on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:54AM (#27947322)
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by michaelt on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:32AM (#27947455)
But everyone hates snaps.

Huge files (made worse by an insistence on keeping two versions of everything around). Slow to start even a simple calculator. Fills the mount list with spam. All to deliver the "feature" that Discord can't share a file from ~/.minecraft/screenshots/whatever.png and ffmpeg can't access /dev/video0

Users prefer dpkg so clearly that Canonical had to make a fake dpkg file for Chromium that installs it using snap.

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by ivolimmen on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:50AM (#27947524)
From a user perspective : it does work. I always had issues running Spotify on it if I ran a newer Ubuntu than Spotify built their application for. Now I run the snap and everything just works.
Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by beermonster on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:10AM (#27948066)
That might just be because you're now running the latest version?

Were you previously running the distro supplied Spotify or from Spotify's own APT repo?

Re:When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018) by xet7 on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:47PM (#27952317)
I love Snaps:

- When there is new security fix, like new version of Node.js, I release new version of Wekan https://wekan.github.io and all those about 9000 servers worldwide are updated automatically soon and safe from that vulnerability. Wekan migrations upgrade database schema etc automatically.

- When Snap is upgraded, it upgrades very fast, compared to Docker

- Snap does not have layers taking big amount of disk space, like Docker

- Snap sandbox works very well. Snaps with strict confinement (like Wekan) can not access files outside of /var/snap/wekan/common directory.

- Snaps are the reason to select Snap compatible distro https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snapd .

Is there any other automatic update system like Snap? AFAIK other update systems require manual steps to update.