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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by josephcsible on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:08AM (#27930797)
People like having yards for their kids to play in and not sharing walls with neighbors. And people visit campsites with no running water, but obviously it would be bad to live somewhere with no running water.
Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by sokoloff on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:24AM (#27930993)
This is one of those truths that is so obvious to me and simultaneously puzzling that others don't see it as obviously the preference of many people.

I have hated every shared-wall/ceiling/floor accommodation I've ever lived in, even fairly high-end newish construction. (I hated the idea that my noise was annoying others almost as much as the times when their noise annoyed me. In my house, if I want to do a woodworking project, listen to Van Halen, or watch a movie at 10:30 PM, I'm free to do that.)

I love having outdoor space that's "just ours". If we want to plant a garden, we plant a garden. If we want flowers, we plant flowers. If we want a trampoline, we buy a trampoline.

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by bombcar on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:49AM (#27931301)
One thing to remember is that houses in dense older cities in Europe are often built of stone or brick or concrete (even the newer ones) which results in a building with different properties than what we’re used to with out stick built apartments.

And they often have a garden/yard area. What’s sad is that we don’t really even have the option in the USA for that style.

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by sokoloff on Friday July 23, 2021 @11:05AM (#27931483)
Isn’t that very similar to the brick rowhouse/Brownstone-style of development in the US (which often technically have some outdoor space).
Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by bombcar on Friday July 23, 2021 @01:42PM (#27933514)
It is - but I’ve not seen that built as new in ages.
Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by antognini on Friday July 23, 2021 @11:28AM (#27931770)
That makes sense. Different people have different preferences. What's nuts to me is that land use laws take the preferences from one set of people and impose them on vast swathes of a city. It seems weird to me, for example, that you can only build single family homes in 70% of San Francisco, one of the densest cities in the US.
Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by caethan on Friday July 23, 2021 @11:44AM (#27932004)
It's really strange seeing the anti-suburban attitudes right after we got a lesson in why relying on communal urban amenities doesn't always work.

We moved to a nice town in walking distance of several parks and small shopping districts in winter 2019. Six months later the shops were all shut or closed for good, and the parks had caution tape all over the playground equipment. They took the swings off the swingsets so the kids couldn't play.