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Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by onion2k on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:28AM (#27903357)
Here in the UK I don't need to file taxes at all as an employee.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by consp on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:42AM (#27903458)
You employer doesn't know your deductibles in the Netherlands due to privacy concerns (and other rules as well), which you definitely want to file in most cases since you pay less money or get some back. You are also responsible for your taxes, if the employer screws up you should check it. This is probably different from the UK. It is not a "can't do" but more or less a "won't do".

edit: so it's not that different, just a different method of doing so. Good to know.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by pmyteh on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:52AM (#27903916)
You tell the tax office of any unusual deductibles, and they give your employers a 'tax code' which tells them how much allowance to give you (but critically not why, to better protect your privacy).

Even this isn't needed in most cases; things are either done employer side (paid from pre-tax income, like pensions) or directly by the government (basic rate tax is semi-automatically added to charitable donations, so only higher rate taxpayers need to declare it, and they all fill in a short return anyway).

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by maccard on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:16AM (#27903706)
Your employer doesn't need to know what your deductibles are (also the deductibles are much more limited here). If you, for example, make a large one off pension contribution, HMRC will adjust your tax code, which your employer will just apply to your payroll.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by wdb on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:57AM (#27903573)
I wouldn't know what I would be able to get tax relief for as an employee. What kind of deductibles?

Guess, I could claim that £6 per week for Covid work from home stuff. Wish you could claim the cost of repairing your bike, or public transport costs.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by maccard on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:15AM (#27903689)
Most of the big ones can be done without a self assessment. If you make a pension contribution for example, you can call hmrc and tell them and they'll adjust your tax code
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by RHSeeger on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:52AM (#27905574)
Doesn't that more or less equate to doing your taxes, just in little updates for each thing, rather than one big update at the end of the year?
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by maccard on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:25AM (#27907562)
Not at all. The list of things you can claim for is very limited, and the majority of them are automatically applied. Having to actually contact HMRC is a rarity. If you are salaried employee with no extra cash coming in, you don't need to do anything.

Another example of how the system works - if you are working two jobs, both as a regular employee, HRMC will instruct your employer as to what your tax deduction should be for that paycheck to make sure that things are balanced. For <some large number>% of people, this will be correct, and if it's not, it will rectify itself over 2 or 3 pay periods. If that's _still_ not enough, a phone call to HMRC (usually taking less than 10 minuts for the two times in a decade I've had to do it) will resolve the issue in your next check.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:36AM (#27904489)
You can claim those, if you use the transport as part of your work but notably not for travelling to and from work, 20p per mile for the bike.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by ridiculous_fish on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:39AM (#27903854)
Charitable contributions? How are those treated?
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by billpg on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:18AM (#27906605)
If I want to give (say) £100 to a charity, I give £75 and sign something agreeing to allow the charity to get the rest from the income taxes I already paid.

(I forget the exact percentage.)

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by joshuaissac on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:42AM (#27903871)
Those are claimed by the recipient under a programme called Gift Aid.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by ridiculous_fish on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:54AM (#27903922)
Do I understand correctly that charities report contributions to the government, which then adjusts the taxes due from the donors? That seems like a good system.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by joshuaissac on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:59AM (#27903962)
The tax relief goes to the charity itself, rather than the donor. They can claim a top-up of up to 25% of your donation from the government, as long as the total amount claimed by all donation recipients does not exceed the total annual income tax paid by the donor. So if you donate £100 and fill out a declaration saying that you 'Gift Aid' that donation, the charity can claim an additional £25 from the government, as long as you paid at least £25 in income taxes that financial year.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by oarsinsync on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:48AM (#27904199)
Note that if you're paying in the 40% and/or 45% income tax brackets, the charity doesn't know about that, and still only gets the 25% topup (equivalent to the 20% income tax most people pay).

You can either:

* Gift that remaining amount to HMRC by doing nothing (it will not go to the charity)

* Claim it back (I don't know any other way to do this other than filing a self assessment)

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by beardyw on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:17AM (#27905816)
But when you get it back you think - I can give that to charity - thus begining a never-ending loop.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by joshuaissac on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:23PM (#27912944)
I did not know until now that the other 20% could be reclaimed by the donor as well, if they paid 40% tax.

If the donor donates that amount as well and we loop infinitely, the final amount received by the charity would be exactly 1.5625x the originally-donated amount (assuming that the HMRC allows arbitrary small fractions of a penny to be claimed).

Explanation: if you donate an amount x, the final amount would be the infinite series x + sigma(0.25*0.2^(k-1) + 0.2^k, k=1, k=inf), which is the sum of two separate geometric series, so for each one, we can use the formula a/(1-r), where 'a' is the first term (0.25 for the first series, 0.2 for the second) and 'r' is the ratio between each term (0.2 in both cases).

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:04AM (#27905155)
> The tax relief goes to the charity itself, rather than the donor.

Half goes to the charity, and half to the donor.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:28AM (#27904438)
Right they can claim 25% but you can also claim another 20% back!
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by philjohn on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:39AM (#27903850)
We can deduct far less than you can in the Netherlands - mortgage interest for example is deductible for you, but not in the UK.

Someone on PAYE will have most of the deductibles handled by their employer (pension, any salary sacrifice schemes etc).

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by teh_klev on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:00AM (#27906378)
In the UK, deductibles on mortgage interest payments (known as MIRAS[0]) was abolished for private home owners in 2000. As a renter this kind of always stuck in my craw that homeowners got this preferential treatment and was quite glad it was abolished (even after becoming a "homeowner").

Oddly, buy-to-let landlords do retain this deductible, though HMRC have fiddled around with how this works over recent times[1].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_interest_relief_at_so...

[1]: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restricting-finan...

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by philjohn on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:09PM (#27909017)
Yes, the BTL sort of makes sense though if you view the mortgage as a business expense, but BTL has had a distorting effect on the UK housing market for too long - changes are desperately needed here, but with so many Tory donors being housing firms, it's unlikely to happen.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by oarsinsync on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:45AM (#27904182)
That's likely true because like the majority of people, you don't make enough money, or wont see enough benefit from the effort involved. Anyone earning over £100k a year is required to file a self assessment, and if you've reached that point, you also likely have a bunch of tax deductible expenses, that even if the £-value is low, you're going to include in your filing since you're doing it anyway.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:30AM (#27904448)
This is only true for people earning below a threshold - most professionals in the UK will need to file taxes, but accountants are very cheap here.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by onion2k on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @07:36AM (#27904919)
This is only true for people earning below a threshold - most professionals in the UK will need to file taxes

That simply isn't true. An income of £80,000 puts you in the top 4% of adult earners. A salary of £100,000 is probably in the top 2 or 3%.

This was discussed extensively at the last election when Labout proposed a new tax rate for people earning over £125k https://election2019.ifs.org.uk/article/labour-s-proposed-in...

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by robertlagrant on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:13AM (#27905775)
Worth noting that if someone is a contractor they'll need to file taxes, even if they pay themselves a lower wage (and thus wouldn't show up in the high earners stats). If they're an NHS doctor/nurse who also does some private work, same. Or anyone who has more than one employer, or is in the gig economy. It's not vast swathes of people, but I think it'd be more than 2 or 3%.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by tialaramex on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:32AM (#27905993)
No. I don't like paperwork. So, I don't do paperwork.

It can be more tax efficient to file tax paperwork, but I don't want to do paperwork, so I just had an umbrella employ me when somebody insisted on hiring me as a "contractor" and the umbrella handled the paperwork for which of course they keep a fee. As far as the government is concerned I just had two PAYE employers, the umbrella and my "real" job.

Having multiple employers also does not require filing taxes. One of the employers gets given a zero tax code and they tax all your pay at full rate, the other one gets a normal tax code which reflects your personal allowance and other considerations. My tax code was oscillating all over the place - but that's not a problem it's all automated.

If you love paperwork you can choose to do all the paperwork. Or if you love money and don't hate paperwork maybe you can save a few hundred quid by filing and I hope it makes you happy. I hate paperwork, and I have plenty of money. So, no, despite earning a lot of money and having worked as a contractor I preferred to stick with PAYE.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by robertlagrant on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:36AM (#27906050)
I don't think you need to love paperwork or money. Just employ an accountant for a few hours a year.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by tialaramex on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:59AM (#27906367)
Filling out paperwork for the accountant to look at is still paperwork.

The HMRC will take a fair cut of my gross income, which is fine, and then leave me alone whereas an accountant earns money by bothering me with more paperwork.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by robertlagrant on Monday July 26, 2021 @06:58AM (#27957963)
> The HMRC will take a fair cut of my gross income

How do you know it's fair?

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:25AM (#27907556)
The accountant fills out the paperwork for you.

Accountants don’t bother you - once a year they ask you to sign your accounts.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by oarsinsync on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:35AM (#27905415)
> most professionals in the UK will need to file taxes, but accountants are very cheap here

I'm guessing you're conflating professionals with contractors, as most high earning professionals I know do not need an accountant to file their taxes, as it's all just done on a self assessment, which is extremely straight forward, and there's little opportunity to game that system effectively.

Meanwhile contractors operating through Ltd entities (now may be hamstrung somewhat with IR35) absolutely should be leveraging an accountant to take advantage of the various ways to reduce their taxable earnings.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:53AM (#27905581)
> most high earning professionals I know do not need an accountant to file their taxes

Yes you don't need an accountant (and I didn't say that you did) but if you want one instead of doing it yourself they just about £100 rather than I don't know how many thousand that would cost you in the US.

Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by laurencerowe on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:55AM (#27907144)
Likely hundreds rather than thousands through a tax preparation service (they’re not real accountants.) I just use one of the less expensive tax filing websites. It’s somewhat more complex than filing self assessment online in the U.K.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by thrwyoilarticle on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:03AM (#27904277)
You would need to if you earned 6 figures. So copying our system for the American posters here wouldn't solve their problem.
Re:Good Riddance, TurboTax. Americans Need a Real ‘Free File... by laurencerowe on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:57AM (#27907179)
You can file for self assessment online through HMRC’s website. It was substantially less complex than the online tax filing website I pay in the US.