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Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by blamazon on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:20AM (#27881801)
I’ll go one step further—-all beverages with the sugar:water ratio of Coca Cola should be summarily banned.

Diet soda, dunno what to do with that one.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by eplanit on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:51AM (#27882058)
"Diet soda, dunno what to do with that one."

Let people decide for themselves? Alcohol is unhealthy, so it should be banned. Hamburgers are high fat and environmentally impactful, so those should be banned, too. Let's not forget cigarettes....

Yes people should opt to not consume unhealthy stuff, but how much authoritarianism do you really want?

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by Cthulhu_ on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:55AM (#27882108)
Banning all of those won't work - remember the Prohibition? - but there's plenty of discouragement things going on, at least on this side of the pond. Alcohol and tobacco are heavily taxed, tobacco can no longer be advertised for, displayed, or be in any kind interesting (bland packaging), and that's after they had to have big warnings about the health risks of smoking. And there's plans to introduce sugar taxes - which I would be more on board with if those taxes were used to subsidize and lower the price of 'good' food / essentials.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by boring_twenties on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:27AM (#27882408)
In the US, we might not even need to tax sugar. We could try just ending the massive subsidies for it (and corn).
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by briandear on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:28AM (#27882993)
Why can’t government just stay out of it? I don’t recall electing a government to be my parents. Government should build roads and have a Navy but why should a government “encourage” healthy behaviors, etc. Are people unable to be adults on their own?
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by handrous on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:03AM (#27883421)
OTOH I'm not sure casting people into the wild to deal, all on their own, with megacorps employing hundreds or thousands dedicated to convincing people to make bad choices is a great idea, either.

I'm not convinced Rugged Individualism and anything like the modern economy are compatible, in any kind of way in which the outcome of trying to have both is pleasant. It may be a "choose one" kind of situation.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by tomp on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:34PM (#27884529)
The government is great for collective action necessary in situations that resemble the prisoner’s dilemma, where incentives of individual agents lead them to take non-pareto-optimal decisions.

Things like breaking up monopolies, mandating open access to infrastructure, and, yes, countering the effects of companies and advertisers manipulating us and exploiting our weaknesses.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by JumpCrisscross on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:05AM (#27882194)
> Let people decide for themselves? Alcohol is unhealthy, so it should be banned.

Our societies socialise the costs of peoples’ bad decisions, so it can’t be 100% laissez-faire. That said, I disagree with the Prohibitionist instinct. Adding a tax that pays for the edge-case costs seems to make the most sense.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by rootusrootus on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:20AM (#27882896)
I wonder if we'd need to tax the vegetarians for living too long and spending a lot of taxpayer dollars in their extended elderly years. Maybe we should actually subsidize the folks cheeseburgering their way to sudden cardiac death.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by briandear on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:34AM (#27883063)
So much misinformation. Vegetarians don’t live longer. And cheeseburger eaters don’t die sooner in general.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-vegetarians-live-longer...

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by briandear on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:29AM (#27883007)
Then let’s stop socializing the costs of people’s bad decisions.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by _0ffh on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:43AM (#27883861)
For some reason it sometimes seems as if people would rather everybody is responsible for everybody else's bad decisions but never their own. It's crazy, I know.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by blamazon on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:15PM (#27885646)
I would also like to imprison people who stand blocking moving walkways and escalators so I am comfortable with a high degree of authoritarianism as long as it is perfectly aligned with my wants.

I realize this is not a very practical worldview.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by petercooper on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:36AM (#27881929)
Here in the UK a lot of stores no longer sell caffeinated drinks to under 16s (it's not a law, but it's a common practice) so Red Bull et al. are out. I guess such a thing could be extended to sugary soda in general eventually. It's annoying, though, because if I want to buy one, I have to be "challenge 25" checked, but I guess it reduces my consumption as well!
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by dcolkitt on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:56AM (#27882110)
There’s zero evidence whatsoever that caffeine is unhealthy for children. And given what we know about the health benefits in adult, coffee is most likely health promoting for children.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by viraptor on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:11AM (#27882257)
It's not just the caffeine itself - that's one aspect. It's promoting the "use this to not sleep" recurring lifestyle choice, which some kids do come to rely on.

This gets worse with Monster and others pushing the caffeine limits. (I remember a free Monster giveaway at uni - could not sleep for close to 30h - that stuff is not healthy)

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by valvar on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:09AM (#27882803)
Well, that's you. Everyone drank Monster at my uni and I don't think there were any reports of sleep issues. Of course it depends on your existing caffeine tolerance, and I guess most students consume quite a lot of caffeinated beverages, but if it was a common issue for those with low tolerance I'm sure we'd have noticed.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by tester34 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:18AM (#27891186)
>Everyone drank Monster at my uni

How was the silhouette of the people who drank the most of it?

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by valvar on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:13AM (#27893951)
It varied :-p. But the best-seller in our vending machine was the white, sugar-free variant.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by kingosticks on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:55AM (#27882676)
No, see evidence regarding energy drinks in the references of https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

> Several studies identified a strong, positive association between the use of energy drinks and higher odds of health-damaging behaviours, as well as physical health symptoms such as headaches, stomach aches, hyperactivity and insomnia

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by fjtktkgnfnr on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:38AM (#27881947)
What do you think about narcotics, should they be legal or not?

One thing I noticed is that people who are for banning soda or alcohol are surprisingly for legalization of soft and hard drugs.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by patentatt on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:23AM (#27882934)
Banning is different from criminalization. So to make both legal but not easily obtainable seems consistent. Throwing someone in jail for life for possessing a 2-liter of coke seems wrong.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by sterlind on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:24AM (#27883647)
anyone possessing 2-liters of coke is obviously a dealer. I'm all for decriminalizing the travel size cans, but we need party-size felonies for party-size containers.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by hasmolo on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:54AM (#27882095)
comparing addictions serves no meaningful purpose. people who want legal drugs still believe in a minimum age. i think that sugar should be seen as addictive as other drugs and the users must be old enough to be able to understand the risk of consuming.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by handrous on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:54AM (#27883312)
I dunno about banned. Not practical, for one thing. Although... I dunno, I don't see bootlegging being as successful or widespread with soda as it was with alcohol. Regardless, probably not practical.

But the state of things in which unlimited free refills of soda is the norm, 64+oz fountain soda servings are common, and 300+ calories of soda are often added on to "combo meals" for effectively just ¢20-¢30 over the cost of the food as a "sweetener" (ha) to get people to choose a combo over a single item, is clearly not great. Something's out-of-whack.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by dogma1138 on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:28AM (#27881865)
So all juices and smoothies? many of them have more sugar than Coke.... Even juices without any added sugar will have a ton of sugar in them if they come from sugar rich fruits.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by bena on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:14AM (#27883533)
That's because a glass of juice isn't the equivalent of eating an orange, it's the equivalent of eating an orchard.

An exaggeration, obviously, but it is really bad. The number of fruits you have to eat to equal a glass of juice is significant.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by cogman10 on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:34AM (#27881913)
Apple juice is about 100% sugar which is why you'll see it in so many "100% juice" products.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by Cthulhu_ on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:56AM (#27882119)
Apple juice is about 10% sugar, I don't know why you're mentioning an improbable number.

And here's the thing: Sugar is not a bad thing per se. It's overconsumption of it that's the issue. I'd rather have someone drink fruit juice than soda, but all in moderation.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by k3liutZu on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:40AM (#27881961)
I think sugar is 100% sugar, hence "apple juice" can't be "100% sugar" since it has to have some water in it
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by taylorius on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:52AM (#27882082)
I thought that apple juice was a bit dry and grainy.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by scandinavian on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:31AM (#27881890)
What's wrong with diet soda?
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by unsigner on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:57AM (#27882120)
There is strong suspicion artificial sweeteners mess up your gut biome, but it’s not yet as established as the evils of sugar.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by valvar on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:13AM (#27882844)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but which ones, and could you provide any sources? This is the first time I've heard that.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by unsigner on Monday July 19, 2021 @04:46PM (#27887084)
I'm not saying I'm right, as I'm not a biologist and this is just stuff I've seen (oft repeated) on the Internet, but:

A search on Google Scholar shows multiple publications exploring the adverse effects on sweeteners on gut microbiome:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=artificial+sweeteners+e...

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by Enginerrrd on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#27883190)
I've definitely read that it may play a role in decoupling the taste of sweet with satisfaction. That in turn may lead people to ultimately eat more before feeling satisfied, which is bad.

Also, I think there might actually be some links to type II diabetes, but I'm skeptical of causation on that one. It's not implausible, but fully correcting for people already trying to reduce sugar intake sounds essentially impossible in that case.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by petercooper on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:37AM (#27881941)
As part of improving my health, I came off of drinking sugary sodas a few years back and went sugar free. My dentist remained unimpressed saying that the sugar is only a small part of the story and really it's the acid in soda that will cause me problems. I now drink a lot more water around any soda consumption to mitigate it slightly, but I gotta have some bad habits..
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by Cthulhu_ on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:00AM (#27882155)
> but I gotta have some bad habits..

I think this should be normalized. In a lot of threads like this, there's some teetotalers that say all vices are bad and you should stop all of them at once.

But vices are fine, in moderation. Having some soda every once in a while is fine. Drinking it by the gallon every day is problematic. But it's been normalized like that by the companies that produce them.

Back in my day (shush kids, grandpa is talking), we got one, maybe two small glasses of soda and some crisps on a sunday. That was it.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by christkv on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:18AM (#27882322)
People who moralize over vices tend to have some dirty little vices themselves.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by tester34 on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:42AM (#27882552)
still being hypocrite doesnt make you wrong
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by axiosgunnar on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:36AM (#27881930)
Possibly carcinogenic, but that's a big possibly, compared to the blatantly obvious harm caused by high-fructose corn syrup.
Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by scandinavian on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:40AM (#27881959)
That's news to me. Wikipedia also notes that Aspartame which is the sweetener used in most diet soda, has not been found to be carcinogenic with a bunch of citations.

Or are you talking about other ingredients?

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by bena on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:18AM (#27883574)
He's not. Artificial sweeteners are one of the most demonized additives on the planet despite being one of the most studied. Because people are so often looking for a reason to get rid of them.

Even the studies of them being bad for "getting used to sweetness" and thus making people more obese through compensatory over-eating are studies that rely on self-reporting and polling.

When properly controlled, physics works as it always has and you can't magic mass or energy out of thin air.

Re:Children are spoofing Covid-19 tests with soft drinks by valvar on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:12AM (#27882831)
If you're talking about aspartame it's about as possibly carcinogenic as the moon landing was possibly faked.