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Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by enlyth on Sunday July 18, 2021 @03:32PM (#27875870)
A bit of a tangent but I am quite impressed how Apple's marketing campaign was so effective that they've managed to redefine what PC (personal computer) means
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by Shorel on Sunday July 18, 2021 @03:53PM (#27876057)
By being actual PC compatible hardware for about a decade.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by SilverRed on Sunday July 18, 2021 @09:52PM (#27878456)
What is your definition of PC? There are about 20 definitions in regular usage.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by alisonkisk on Sunday July 18, 2021 @03:38PM (#27875927)
PC originally meant "IBM PC desktop clone". Apple was different because it's hardware wasn't compatible with PC software (for mainstream users).
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by reaperducer on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:14PM (#27876258)
"PC" was "personal computer" years before the IBM PC. Just look at old computer magazines.

The whole reason the phrase "IBM PC" existed was to differentiate it from the other PCs that already existed. "IBM" was the adjective. "PC" was the noun.

Because of its success in offices, "IBM PC" became just "PC" the same way other words like "omnibus" became just "bus" because it's simpler to say.

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by chairmanmow on Sunday July 18, 2021 @06:57PM (#27877445)
This is the correct answer - and PC originally, or "Personal Computer" is more of a distinction from old school mainframe computers that lived in a lab or wherever and took up entire rooms.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by rsfinn on Sunday July 18, 2021 @10:42PM (#27878734)
As I recall, the most widely used term early on was "microcomputer", to distinguish the small home computers from the larger "minicomputers" (e.g. the DEC PDP-11 of blessed memory). The term "personal computer" was also in use, but the use of "PC" was not common until after the introduction of the IBM model 5150 (whose actual product name was the "IBM Personal Computer").

Since then, you might refer to any of a variety of machines as "personal computers", but "PCs" only meant "IBM PCs" (or later "IBM PC-compatible machines"). In other words, I would argue that the term "PC" derives specifically from the "IBM Personal Computer", and not generically from "personal computer".

Source: I was there. :-) I haven't done the research, but I bet if you did search through Byte and similar magazines of the time, you'd find plenty of supporting evidence. (I do have a memo cube from the early '80s with the slogan "Apple II -- The Personal Computer", but I suspect that was Apple Marketing trying to fight an ultimately losing battle.)

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by Udo_Schmitz on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:33AM (#27880108)
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by rsfinn on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:18AM (#27883584)
Sure; I don't disagree (and perhaps my previous post was less clear about this) that "personal computer" was definitely in common use, particular in advertising aimed at "regular consumers" rather than hobbyists, and well before the IBM PC.

I do disagree with the suggestion that the initialism "PC" was understood to mean "personal computer" in general before the release of the IBM PC. If that's overly pedantic, well, I'm a computer nerd; what can I say...

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by Udo_Schmitz on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:46PM (#27888161)
Oh, OK, I think you’re right there.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by chairmanmow on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:35PM (#27885214)
I was there too if you need anecdotal evidence, my Dad worked in marketing for Apple - notable for being the ad manager for the 1984 ad campaign and you're wrong. I mean that ad was an attack on IBM PC's. The answer is on wikipedia too, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by Aaargh20318 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:27PM (#27876389)
Wasn’t ‘home computer’ the generally used term before the IBM 5150 ?
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by wumpus on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:33PM (#27876434)
I don't think so. Comparing use of these terms in books:

https://books.archivelab.org/dateviz/?q=home+computer

https://books.archivelab.org/dateviz/?q=personal+computer

Personal computer was used a lot more when books were eventually written about the era.

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by jen20 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @09:35PM (#27878356)
As far as I'm aware, the UK the phrase "microcomputer" (or simply "micro") was used before IBM-compatible machines.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by reaperducer on Sunday July 18, 2021 @08:05PM (#27877884)
Wasn’t ‘home computer’ the generally used term before the IBM 5150 ?

"Home computer" was things like the VIC-20 and the TI-99 4/A. "Personal Computer" was machines that you had in your home or office that you didn't have to share, or timeshare with someone else. Think Cromemco, Kaypro, PET, and SuperBrain.

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by enlyth on Sunday July 18, 2021 @03:43PM (#27875975)
The only reason I mentioned it is because OP's usage caught me off guard. Most of the time in colloquial usage I've seen PC used as an acronym to mean "computer with Windows installed as the OS", especially when being compared to Apple's products.

But in this case it was used as "desktop computer", which sounded strange to me as I consider laptops, however portable, to be personal computers.

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by hollerith on Sunday July 18, 2021 @03:52PM (#27876055)
I agree with all of that -- and regret the recent trend of using "PC" to mean desktop as opposed to laptop -- but what does any of that have to do with Apple's marketing?

You don't think Apple's marketing is behind the aforementioned recent trend; do you?

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by enlyth on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:11PM (#27876230)
My understanding was that Apple's marketing created the initial deviation from the original meaning which led to the current one, but yes seeing what other people are commenting now it's not that simple and I was wrong on my assumption
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by wumpus on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:26PM (#27876374)
> PC originally meant "IBM PC desktop clone".

You're misremembering history. It eventually evolved into that, yes.

Apple didn't really buy into that until the "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads.

Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by eyelidlessness on Sunday July 18, 2021 @07:02PM (#27877483)
And even then they still used the PowerPC chips and branding.
Re:An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU u... by wumpus on Sunday July 18, 2021 @07:48PM (#27877791)
Yep! Never thought about it that way, but indeed, PowerPC was a smaller not-server chip intended for personal computers.