It is impossible to be tolerant of the Fourth Reich or those who if they don't condone it will at best tolerate it for tax cuts.
Our unresolvable division is because 10% is evil and 30% is nuts and the remainder can't have anything they want if they don't embrace the crazy.
These people will sacrifice our actual values for pale shadows of same.
One side of the crowd holds signs like "Down with the Fash" and "Trans Rights are Human Rights."
The other side of the crowd literally wearing "RWDS" Patches (Right Wing Death Squad) and "Pinochet Did Nothing Wrong" shirts.
Some of the people in this thread: "Huh! I don't see any difference between the two. Both sides! Hurr durr."
You're failing to see the huge distribution of people on both sides.
There are Nazis on both sides, but there aren't many. The majority are closer to the middle, and the media uses the extreme examples to enrage and divide for dollars.
Absolutely the entire right are Nazis, collaborators, on their way out politically.
Do you know what you call someone who is okay associating with white supremacists?
A white supremacist.
You're dealing in absolutes and lumping everyone you disagree with into the Hitler/racist bin. It's an indoctrination.
Explain non-white conservatives. Explain them in other non-US countries such as Japan. Explain white (often Christian) conservatives that adopt minority children.
You're so single minded in your hate towards these people, most of whom you do not know, that you can't see that you're wrong. Perhaps it is your world view and experiences are that are limited.
I'm sorry you feel this way.
I hope you can start loving more people than you hate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/01/pride-mon... - As Pride Month begins, Republicans double down on restricting transgender Americans - Across 33 states, more than 100 anti-transgender bills have been introduced just in the first few months of 2021.
https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/pinochet-did-no-... - A number of Patriot Prayer supporters, including group leader Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, wore t-shirts at the Saturday protest in Portland that read: Pinochet did nothing wrong.
If peoples' lives are so easily overlooked that you'd rather save a few bucks on your tax bill and will vote for people who align with white supremacists, then yes, you're scum.
I noticed this particularly acutely in how progressives have rallied around Muslims but you can’t actually talk about a bunch of stuff my Bangladeshi mom and aunts believe. Same sex marriage is one example, but also abortion, gender roles, child rearing, civil order, religion in schools, etc.
Ironically, as a result, you can’t have public conversations about a bunch of stuff many Democrats (particularly non-white Democrats) believe. When Obama have a speech about dads raising their kids, he was shouted down by white liberals. Can’t talk about Latino views on abortion, or Muslim views on gender roles and procreative marriage.
People on side X can't have any conversation with people on side Y about any of the topics because both sides just instantly devolve into tribalism and accusing the other side of being unreasonable. Which is exactly what you're doing, and what you're saying the left does to you
I don't know where you're getting "30 years ago". It's worse today than ever across both sides.
Talking with college-educated conservatives and expressing similarly normie liberal takes, like “we should let gay people get married” is by contrast not hard at all.
I would have to go out of my way to find some evangelicals in the Deep South who won’t even discuss the idea and dismiss it as “blasphemy” or some such. But that’s really my point. Urban liberals have embraced a worldview (especially on social issues) that’s as ideologically fervent as what I remember about evangelical Christians during the Bush era.
I've met people who definitely would believe someone saying "we need to protect American culture" was thinly veiled code for "we need to protect white culture, and not just from immigrants". And I've met people who do mean that and are racist/antisemitic and not in the "deep south". And I've also met people who said the same words but without the racist underlying beliefs, so it's not really so simple.
Weird, in my bubble (mostly college-educated, mostly urban-to-suburban, mostly liberal-to-progressive, though there are many exceptions on every axis), that wouldn’t even be a controversial statement (once you got into mechanisms of limitation and more specific cultural concerns such as what kind of drift you wanted to avoid, there would be debate, though, both over principles and pragmatics.)
> As far as I can tell, many American liberals think race and culture are the same thing
They aren’t the same thing, though they are (contrart to racist models) very closely related.
> I would have to go out of my way to find some evangelicals in the Deep South who won’t even discuss the idea and dismiss it as “blasphemy” or some such.
Huh, I can find plenty of college educated, urban California religious conservatives (not necessarily evangelicals) who see it that way without much effort. (Like, zero effort when I go to church.)
They’re often correlated, but one doesn’t arise out of the other. Us Bangladeshis have a strong tendency to blame our culture for what ails our country (our tendency to corruption, etc.) If an American said “I wouldn’t want mass immigration from Bangladesh to the US because of the prospect of cultural change” I’d probably be inclined to agree. My family left the country to get away from that culture. In Bangladesh it wouldn’t be a controversial statement to say that there are aspects of Chinese culture or whatever that we don’t like.
So when I see Trump attacked as “racist” I find it bizarre. His criticisms are plainly directed at culture, not race. For example his comment about “shit hole countries.” That’s a boorish phrasing of the situation, but it’s clearly an attack on culture, not race. If you asked a Bangladeshi on the street whether they’d rather have immigrants from they’d say something similar. The state of a country is a reflection of the culture of its people. It has nothing to do with race.
"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
If the only way to stop an act of violence is with an act of violence, allowing it to happen in the first place, as you would condemn the response of violence, ends up being the greater evil.
Also look up 'The Paradox of Tolerance.'
Saying it is to be 'partisan' to call out injustice is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
History has already condemned those who stepped back and did nothing.
The left and right are so divided that they're intolerable of one another. Neither side believes the other is worth listening to.
It's a shame.
We're all animals traversing a complicated landscape. There's daily pain and suffering, and then we die. We should remind ourselves how similar everyone actually is, and that the diversity of our views are humanity living and breathing through our mortal, aging bodies.