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Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by miga on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:07PM (#27823430)
Better title would be "38 ways to devolve discussion to irrationality".

Schopenhauer was not a logician. He searched for ways of emerging victorious, not to search for the truth.

Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by jvanderbot on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:31PM (#27824432)
And you've highlighted the often-overlooked truth: Arguments are very rarely won with rationality.
Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by cirgue on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:18PM (#27825042)
Depends on your definition of winning. Is your goal to get the other side to capitulate, or is your goal for the onlookers and interested parties to come away with a view of the world that’s actually useful? If you’re a public intellectual or participant in the internet, you’re not arguing in isolation. People are watching, and it absolutely has an impact even if you don’t directly observe it. This bit of internet “wisdom” is maybe one of the most destructive and misapplied factoids to emerge in recent years, because while true in its narrowest sense, is utterly useless if ones aim is to contribute to the wider world of discourse.
Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by monkeydreams on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:29PM (#27827481)
> Depends on your definition of winning.

At the risk of being Schopenhauered, I would say that any argument has a target and an audience, and that the goal of any argument is to convince the audience, rather than the target (though these can be the same person).

As others have identified - arguments are rarely, if ever, won on rationality. Rationality is a tool in arguing, like any other argumentative tool, but it rarely convinces those who do not hold it as a virtue in life.

Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by harimau777 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:08PM (#27829185)
Does contributing to a wider world of discourse actually change anything? My sense is that at most people feel vaguely more enlightened and continue on with what they were going to do originally.
Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by skywal_l on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:48PM (#27825428)
Schopenhauer became disillusioned early in life. He quickly came to think that people, in general, are not rational and appeals to their rationality is a mistake, if you are looking to convince them.

His book is more a passive aggressive denunciation of this.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist

Re:Schopenhauer's 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by yamrzou on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:45PM (#27826112)
Well, reason is seen more as weapon than path to truth: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to... (https://archive.ph/cvWMc)