Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by optimiz3 on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:00PM
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Wait till you read the stats and see videos of what humans driving cars regularly do!
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Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by ASalazarMX on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:17PM
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Still, an autopilot should aim to be a peer with the best drivers, not with mediocre or bad drivers.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by colinmhayes on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:18PM
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Well if you think of this closed beta as a way for Tesla to collect data about its program's shortcomings it's easy enough to see how releasing could save lives in the long run even it is takes some in the short run. Every day sooner that a 10x better self driving car comes is hundreds of lives saved.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by camjohnson26 on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:56PM
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And what if it gets stuck in a local maximum and never improves? Then you lost those extra lives for no reason, which consequently is what I believe has happened. At least 4 people are dead in preventable autopilot crashes, and the real number is probably over 10. For the number of Tesla’s on the road that number is way too high.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by colinmhayes on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:17PM
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4 deaths is worth a 1% increased chance of achieving self driving a month earlier. Way more than 400 people a month die in car accidents.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by foepys on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:51PM
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I somehow get the feeling that you don't actually want to save lives but rather want to experience the future™, whatever it costs.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by jazzyjackson on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:47PM
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I just don’t understand why people think a robot can improve on this.
If you want to save lives, lower speed limits, build out public transit, and don’t hand out drivers licenses like candy.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by colinmhayes on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:04PM
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I don't only want to save lives, I want to maximize utility. I think driving less would raise utility, but society disagrees, so this is the next best option.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by jazzyjackson on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:48PM
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Right, fair point, people drive 80mph because they have someplace to be. I’m perennially bummed that America can’t figure out how to build high speed rail for less than $100 Million per mile.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by throwaway0a5e on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:26PM
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A peer with average drivers would probably be fine.
A peer with average drivers and doing completely nonsensical things every now and then is basically an average driver on their cell phone though and the verdict on that is that it's not fine.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by optimiz3 on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:13PM
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It's a limited beta with the goal of discovering error cases.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by barbazoo on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:19PM
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In this case I'd prefer if "discovering error cases" was done without risking actual lives. Injuring someone would not be a valid way discover an error case.
Re:Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
by junipertea on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:57PM
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Beta limited to regular drivers that are not specifically trained testers. Error cases can involve injury or death.