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Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by rayiner on Sunday July 11, 2021 @10:58AM (#27801338)
People say taxes would go up because every plan for single payer would involve taxes going up. Pretty much no one things you can squeeze major cost efficiencies out of the system.
Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by ceejayoz on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:14AM (#27801460)
I pay over $25k in insurance premiums a year for a family of four.

If raising my taxes by $10k eliminates that, I’m extremely ok with it.

The cost of US healthcare is 2-3x the cost of healthcare in the rest of the developed world - counting both public and private spend - and with very similar outcomes.

Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by rayiner on Sunday July 11, 2021 @01:44PM (#27802961)
Except neither Sanders nor Warren have proposed a plan that would cost you only $10k in taxes to save you $25k in premiums. Even on paper, Warren’s plan costs the same as what Americans already pay in health care costs.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/775339519/heres-how-warren-fi...

> Warren bases her plan off of a recent analysis from the Urban Institute, which estimated that under current law, Americans would spend $52 trillion over the next decade on health care — that includes many types of spending, from employers, individuals and all levels of government.

> Warren's plan estimates that total health costs could be held to $52 trillion and that $20.5 trillion in new federal spending would be necessary.

Like with schools (where America also pays more and gets less), most spending in the healthcare system is payroll. An American nurse makes twice what a UK NHS nurse makes. The idea that we can cut those costs meaningfully is laughable.

Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:29AM (#27801563)
"If raising my taxes by $10k eliminates that, I’m extremely ok with it."

As would I, if there's a $15k savings. Is there any data to support that?

You mention costs in other countries. How do salaries, taxes, and cost of living compare as well? It seems that many places have lower cost of living, which seems to influence prices for any number of services.

Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by pomian on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:36AM (#27801642)
Canada had a slightly higher cost of living than US. But we are a very very big country with low population density, so logistics are expensive. Health care costs about 50/month if you have income. Simple. Cost never enters into medical decisions. .(Some pharmaceuticals are a problem - expensive, if you have special needs.)
Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:46AM (#27801757)
"Cost never enters into medical decisions."

From a patient perspective or system perspective?

"Health care costs about 50/month if you have income."

That's what is billed. What do the systems actually cost on a per patient basis adjusted for population risks (like obesity)?

Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by andreskytt on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:37AM (#27807384)
The cost is a consequence of a complex system out of hand, not a target metric. I would argue that paying $30k a year would be beneficial, _if_ the resulting system incentivized cost reduction. So the if is not in the cost but in the belief in the consequence of the change
Re:List price for stitches at Stanford Health Care: $93K by pyuser583 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:05PM (#27804169)
How do you end up paying over $2000/month in premiums? Is it unsubsidized?