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Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by boredtofears on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:05PM (#27774854)
Is it accurate to say you quit smoking when you've really just switched the device that delivers the substance you're addicted to?
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by yCombLinks on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:27PM (#27775186)
100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by Semaphor on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:35PM (#27780244)
In addition, I went from 25mg nicotine in 2012, to less than 2mg now.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by boredtofears on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:34PM (#27775272)
You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by dude187 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:53PM (#27776836)
When you quit smoking, you quit smoking. Vaping is not smoking. What's inaccurate is to insist that someone still smokes when they do not, because you insist on calling something that is not smoking "smoking".
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by yCombLinks on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:43PM (#27775414)
I think people have mixed definitions, but I really think smokers just want to avoid the lung cancer and emphysema. It's not my place to judge them as failures because they don't meet my criteria of not being addicted to nicotine.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by intuitionist on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:46PM (#27775458)
Nicotine is great, I would be incapable of functioning in society without it, and if the US Government makes it impossible for me to get a nicotine fix without giving myself cancer I will be tempted to turn to direct action.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by cwkoss on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:39PM (#27776118)
If we accept that addiction is an evil in and of itself, social media addiction should warrant significantly more societal attention that nicotine addiction: it's much more prevalent, both in general population and among children in particular.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by prepend on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:45PM (#27775448)
It’s not the addiction that causes lung cancer, it’s the smoke. So the goal of stopping smoking should have positive health outcomes.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by bmj on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:55PM (#27776857)
My understanding is that the proverbial jury is still out on whether vaping truly is less harmful to the lungs that smoking[0][1]. That would mean that vaping (instead of smoking) isn't necessarily a positive health outcome.

[0] https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2020/05/risks-vaping

[1] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi...

Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by mcguire on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:46PM (#27778009)
[0]: "Studies suggest nicotine vaping may be less harmful than traditional cigarettes when people who regularly smoke switch to them as a complete replacement."

[1]: "Vaping Is Less Harmful Than Smoking, but It’s Still Not Safe"

[1] has some problems. It seems to be conflating the vitamin E acetate issue with vaping in general. ("However, there has also been an outbreak of lung injuries and deaths associated with vaping. As of Jan. 21, 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed 60 deaths in patients with e-cigarette, or vaping, product use associated lung injury (EVALI).") The section on "Research Suggests Vaping Is Bad for Your Heart and Lungs" focuses on nicotine. Which raises your blood pressure. And not much else, according to other sources.

Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by prepend on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:26PM (#27779924)
It’s definitely a positive outcome when it comes to cancer prevention. The evidence is quite clear that vaping is way better than smoking for lung cancer. [0][1]

I think the evidence is out as to what, if any, are the harms of vaping. But it’s not arguable that it’s better for you than smoking.

[0] https://www.newscientist.com/article/2120440-switching-from-...

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28778971/

Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by dude187 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:41PM (#27780005)
It's not really up for debate whether or not vaping is healthier. It's a night and day difference. Vaping is far less harmful than smoking.
Re:Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal by rsynnott on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:45PM (#27775433)
But is that the _point_? I think many people are pretty much okay with being addicted to nicotine if it's not going to kill them.