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Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by oblib on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:08PM (#27763404)
I don't see how he has a case here. I do see how he does this to promote himself though and he'll surely get a lot of free coverage on the news media.
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by ttyprintk on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:20PM (#27763527)
He’s only _announced_ a suit; he can claim victory any number of ways without even filing one. In fact, I don’t know that winning such a suit even theoretically helps him.
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by Johnny555 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:20PM (#27763522)
Filing a lawsuit is cheap, I expect that he's not going to follow through, he's got the publicity he wants.
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:46PM (#27763829)
Also likely to figure in the lawsuit are emails between Fauci and Zuckerberg that might be used to indicate an untoward pattern of collusion between the government and a private corporation, featuring -- disturbingly enough -- redactions, surely a suspicious indication of potentially damaging future revelations.
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:51PM (#27763882)
In what universe are emails from one of Trump's appointees, in which he forwards Zuckerberg's "cold email" to Donald Trump's communications team evidence of some plot to get him thrown off Facebook and Twitter 8 months later?

Said another way... How could "Collusion between the Government and a private corporation" be supportive of Trump's effort here when he was heading the government that was allegedly doing the colluding.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:02PM (#27764004)
Ha - George Conway (infamous conservative lawyer) has the same question;

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1412828921242996738

> But what makes this meta-insane is that he’s claiming that the Facebook was a FEDERAL state actor because it was entangled with the FEDERAL government at a time when HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:09PM (#27764082)
Of course, every single member of the US government was fully and faithfully implementing the president's policy goals.

The absolute purity of the status of Facebook et al. as private companies, free from any taint of government influence and hence free to suppress speech at corporate will, is looking a mite tattered.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:15PM (#27764144)
> Of course, every single member of the US government was fully and faithfully implementing the president's policy goals.

Sure, blah blah deep state. Even if Fauci and Zuckerberg teamed up in some grand scheme to ban Trump from Facebook after an election that he lost -- the question remains -- how is that a 1st Amendment issue and not an Executive Branch staffing issue?

Given that we have a Unitary Executive (an argument held strongly by the most conservative jurists in the country) -- if someone in the Executive Branch were colluding to pressure social media companies with the power of the State, legally it was Trump who was colluding. So Trump is suing Facebook for colluding with his own government?

This lawsuit makes no sense on its face, it will be Cable News bait for a few days and then be forgotten, and unfortunately, it further clouds the much more important debate about social media platforms and their rights and responsibilities.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:46PM (#27764455)
For the record, here's what Pam Bondi said on related issues during the press conference today:

"When you have Mark Zuckerberg and others being called in front of Congress and being coerced and being questioned by all these congressmen, then you also have Mark Zuckerberg emailing with Dr. Fauci about COVID and in fact, a lot of their emails that we received have been redacted, not just because of phone numbers, but because they were trading trade secrets. A private company is communicating with the federal government and parts of that were redacted. They’re not immune anymore. They are not immune anymore. It was coercion, collusion, working together and they cannot hide from the first amendment."

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conf...

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:54PM (#27764560)
I suspect she meant they can't hide "behind" the first amendment.. but otherwise that word salad makes as much sense as the typical Pam Bondi speech.

For the 1 millionth time - the Fauci-Zuckerberg emails not only took place during the Trump administration, and were shared with the White House comms team, but they were also were released under FOIA during the Trump administration. All of these were released in 2020!

His government redacted the emails that he's complaining about being redacted. He's literally suing Facebook for colluding with his government and his attorney is using the redactions that his government performed as evidence of that collusion.

Just an astonishingly incompetent lawsuit and I hope the lawyers who filed it are sanctioned.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by ModernMech on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:26PM (#27775947)
Didn't Pam Bondi solicit a bribe from Donald Trump to drop her investigation into Trump University (which was later found to be fraudulent by a court and was ordered dissolved)? What credibility does she have left?
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:35PM (#27763725)
Trump's legal team has taken up the argument put forth by Glenn Greenwald (e.g., his March essay "Congress, in a Five-Hour Hearing, Demands Tech CEOs Censor the Internet Even More Aggressively") that Congress is, in effect, outsourcing its authority to Silicon Valley in the quest of censoring opinions with which they disagree. This imputed Washington - SV nexus will be the fulcrum of the suit.
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:45PM (#27763819)
No, they really haven't. This is a LOLSuit of the worst form. He didn't even file in an appropriate district.

> This imputed Washington - SV nexus will be the fulcrum of the suit.

This doesn't and couldn't exist.

If you want to understand the purpose of the suit, check out the email they sent to his follower list as soon as the press conference was over:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5tKUD9WQAoJ82z?format=jpg&name=...

Just endless grifting.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:58PM (#27763962)
"This doesn't and couldn't exist"

Rep. Angie Craig (D, MN) questions Mark Zuckerberg in a Congressional hearing: "Facebook allows Rep. Greene's (R, GA) video to remain online. Is that right, yes or no?"

https://youtu.be/vsA4u7i20_0

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:03PM (#27764023)
I'm not sure how this relates to anything.. expand?
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by TechBro8615 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:20PM (#27764197)
The argument from GG is basically that Congress intimidates Big Tech into deplatforming viewpoints that the culturally dominant party (Democrats) disagree with. The OP references Rep Craig asking Zuckerberg if it's "right" to "allow" her republican colleague Rep Greene to post content on Facebook. The implication is that Rep Craig is heavily implying it's not right, and therefore, if Facebook wants to be on the "good side" of Rep Craig (the Democrats), it shouldn't host Rep Greene's content.

It should be fairly obvious why large companies want to be in the good graces of lawmakers. It's reasonable for Sundar Pichai or Mark Zuckerberg to think that angry lawmakers lead to more anti-trust lawsuits than happy lawmakers.

The problem is actually that both sides are angry at Big Tech, but for opposing reasons. The Democrats don't like that Republican content is the most popular on Facebook, and the Republicans don't like that Facebook doesn't deplatform Democrats engaging in the same or worse behavior as any deplatformed Republican.

Both of their concerns are understandable, and stem from the power of "deplatforming" – ever since the deplatforming of Alex Jones, this situation was inevitable. As soon as the platforms set a precedent for what's "bad," they created future obligations for themselves. Because they need to be consistent, right? So if you took down this "bad" thing, why not take down this other "bad" thing? Well, it turns out people have different definitions of "bad," and so that's where most of this vitriol originates.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by mikeyouse on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:34PM (#27764329)
I appreciate the detailed response but it's an astonishingly silly argument.

Facebook has a 1st amendment right to host whatever content they want.. any desire toward consistency is entirely self-imposed. They could ban every single Democratic politician tomorrow if they wanted and people would be outraged, but the US government rightfully protects private companies from government-compelled speech.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by TechBro8615 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:58PM (#27764600)
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. But it doesn't stop me from understanding both perspectives, each of which at least originates from a logical place (before morphing into political soundbites that must survive in an environment that selects for emotional engagement, not logical coherence).

Personally, I continue to believe that the algorithmic newsfeed is the primary source of these problems. Perhaps that's where we can find some common ground to take a logical first step. I propose that we regulate any Newsfeed with >100m impressions per day, to require and default to a "chronological" sorting order, with any preference expiring after 30 days.

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by tatrajim on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:12PM (#27764111)
She is exhibit A in Greenwald's essay lambasting Congress for pressuring SV to censor speech they find objectionable.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-in-a-five-hour-hea...

Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by Buttons840 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:38PM (#27763757)
His argument is that congress outsourced its authority to censor? Does Congress even have the authority to censor?
Re:Trump Says He Is Suing Facebook, Google and Twitter for A... by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:42PM (#27763786)
The argument is that congress knows it does not have the authority to censor so instead they brow beat the tech companies into doing it for them in the form of dragging executives before congress and using the bully pulpit.