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Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by refurb on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @07:44AM (#27759944)
Does insurance pay out for shoplifting? Do store owners even buy that insurance? Can you even get that insurance in SF? What are the deductibles? What happens to your rates when you make a claim?

I could see for big ticket retailers (jewelry, etc) insurance against theft makes sense, but CVS? When people steal $100 worth of makeup?

Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by ericbarrett on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @07:55AM (#27760033)
There is "commercial crime insurance" (separate from general business insurance) but I can't imagine an underwriter staying in the San Francisco market. And a large retailer like CVS, Walgreens, or Target would almost certainly be self-insured.
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by jkhdigital on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @08:17AM (#27760223)
Are you using “self-insured” as a euphemism for “just eats the losses”? Because it’s not really insurance if there’s no risk pooling, and a large retailer is a single entity—who are they pooling risk from? Individual stores? That would make sense only if they are franchises.
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by refurb on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @08:48AM (#27760484)
That’s basically what self-insured is. Large employers offer health insurance but they aren’t pooling risk with other companies, they just pay all expenses.

Insurance is meant to protect against catastrophic loss. If a loss isn’t catastrophic, it’s often cheaper to just pay for the loss yourself.

Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by ericbarrett on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @09:02AM (#27760625)
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by mbg721 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @08:47AM (#27760470)
They may not be pooling risk, but they may be hiring actuaries to look at their past losses compared to similar businesses, and setting aside a reserve to cover expected future risk.
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by jkhdigital on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @09:32AM (#27760915)
I’m sure that’s exactly what they do, but that’s not insurance—just prudent risk management.
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by ransom1538 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @08:45AM (#27760459)
"Does insurance pay out for shoplifting?" <- Yes and no. If you file a claim to the insurance company they will probably pay out. But they are trying to turn a profit too - if you are filing too many claims in a specific area they will just drop you.
Re:SF's crime debate turns nasty by occamrazor on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @12:51PM (#27763201)
Insurance pays out for theft even without a police report as long as it is a specific event (very common e.g. for shipping, where sometimes it isn’t even known in which country the theft happened). I have never heard of a policy covering “shrinkage”.