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Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by Grimm1 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @11:07AM (#27730198)
You can monetize socialization we've done it forever, clubs come to mind for instance. No one wants to pay directly for social media unlike in person experiences though so we have what we have.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by partomniscient on Sunday July 04, 2021 @11:27AM (#27730369)
That's because monetisation via serving food/alcohol sales (in moderation) can enhance the socialisation experience, so its a win-win.

Because big media got hooked on advertising revenue and news became subsidised and we got news/information cheaply, we'd been collectively taught that fact generation and dispersion costs were neglible (although they're not, work and energy is required and this was offset by the ad. revenue).

Move this to the digital space where information flows at close to light speed and you can accurately measure all sorts of marketing stuff - it just goes faster to the point of absurdity. Whatever value we can create via connectivity gets trashed by being subverted or obverted by corporate interests.

I'm now pissed off because I pay youtube $x per month not to be interrupted by ads, and now the content creators have their own ads in their content.

When you scale out, it becomes a sad picture of humanity that is excitedly self-reinforcing monetisation of things via interruption of engagement/continuity.

Actual value is evapourating.

No wonder we're all getting ADHD.

The spaces that are mostly simple and left alone are where interesting things can still continually occur. That's precisely why HN is actually still going strong.

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by Grimm1 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:39PM (#27730902)
I agree with you, I find size is a predictor of decline in quality. HN hasn't hit that threshold, but even still I know that with what growth it has had the moderation efforts to keep it this way also increased significantly.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by ItsMonkk on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:45PM (#27731354)
It's Dunbar's Number.

When a tribe gets to large, because of Metcalfe's law the tribe loses the ability to discuss things to a level of nuance that is required, and that causes fractures that lead to a tribal split.

Because all of the internet communities have no natural way to split, the only thing left is for them to become toxic and eventually die.

Systems attempt to keep the tribe going longer by attempting to keep track of metrics, and this works for a while because the tribe had built up trust, but the bigger the tribe gets(with new members never trusting, forming Eternal September), the more the metrics reign, Goodhart's law states the more inevitable it is that it collapses.

> ... there seems to be only one cause behind all forms of social misery: bigness. Oversimplified as this may seem, we shall find the idea more easily acceptable if we consider that bigness, or oversize, is really much more than just a social problem. It appears to be the one and only problem permeating all creation. Whenever something is wrong, something is too big. ... And if the body of a people becomes diseased with the fever of aggression, brutality, collectivism, or massive idiocy, it is not because it has fallen victim to bad leadership or mental derangement. It is because human beings, so charming as individuals or in small aggregations, have been welded into overconcentrated social units. - Leopold Kohr, 1957

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by pharke on Sunday July 04, 2021 @03:50PM (#27732125)
No one will pay to hang out in an empty room just because other people are there. They pay to go to clubs and bars because they provide entertainment, food, drinks, and atmosphere to go along with the social experience. If you created a rich enough social media experience then people would be fine paying for it. It's not surprising people don't want to pay for social media as it currently exists since it parasitizes all of its content from the web which is for the most part freely available. It's like fencing off a corner of a public park and trying to charge admission to enjoy the fresh air and sunshine.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by amelius on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:17PM (#27731152)
That's because clubs do not interfere with the things we say to one another. Also they are not monopolies, so they can't experiment freely without risking us going to another club.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by polynomial on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:59PM (#27733295)
Well, yes and no. The music in clubs is often designed to be so loud as to interfere in conversation, on the premise that the less you are able to converse the more you will drink.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by skinkestek on Sunday July 04, 2021 @11:20AM (#27730309)
> No one wants to pay directly for social media unlike in person experiences though so we have what we have.

For the longest time I paid for MeWe, hoping they'd introduce pseudonyms and become a non Google Google+.

I would actually have paid for Google+ too if they had kept it around.

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by Grimm1 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:41PM (#27730912)
Why did you stop paying for MeWe? Just the lack of pseudonym introduction?
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by skinkestek on Monday July 05, 2021 @04:06AM (#27735621)
No, I never needed the paid features in the first place.

I only paid to support a good cause and in the hope that it would become a replacement for Google+.

After a year or two where they never responded to feedback I just gave up.

I don't need another place to worry about leaking my identity connected to deeply personal issues.

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by CRConrad on Sunday July 04, 2021 @07:32PM (#27733469)
Either that, or perhaps the huge influx of far-right sympathizers.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by skinkestek on Monday July 05, 2021 @03:58AM (#27735577)
I saw no such influx but then again I was only into chili growing, general gardening, photography and that kind of stuff.

I'd like to discuss mental health issues as well but personally I don't feel like posting to ADHD or anything when my family or my boss or my future boss can trivially easy (two clicks, no mental gymnastics) go from my post there to my professional profile.

Besides, the term "far-right" is so utterly abused now that it doesn't mean anything except "people I don't like".

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by CRConrad on Monday July 05, 2021 @06:17PM (#27742322)
Well, good for you that you didn't see that. I, OTOH, definitely did.

And, hey, would you have been happier if I'd called them Nazis?

Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by CRConrad on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @11:31AM (#27749884)
Replying to myself for technical reasons: People who bring up how Hitler and the Nazis were "actually Socialists"... are usually actually Nazis.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by Const-me on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:31PM (#27731242)
I paid for livejournal.com social media for a few years, then Russians bought the company and I cancelled.
Re:Social media is broken – a new report offers ways to fix it by merpnderp on Sunday July 04, 2021 @11:26AM (#27730357)
People definitely used to pay for online socialization they’d just prefer free with advertisements.