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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by FpUser on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:03AM (#27722045)
Stories like this make my blood boil. How fucked up the system must be to allow such abuse. But of course they're human loving democracy. Bureaucrats who could fix it in a minute but instead prefer the person being tortured would definitely benefit spending some time in Gulag.

And the cherry on top. I di not know that free person in France can not legally move without Ausweis. Nice.

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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by Aerroon on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:35AM (#27722292)
It makes my blood boil too. I think this is one of those cases in life where you have to make as much noise as possible. When people feel uncomfortable enough they'll be more likely to resolve your situation so that you stop shouting at them.
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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by javajosh on Saturday July 03, 2021 @01:15PM (#27723135)
Noise is good, but it means you have to have a great filter, because trolls exist and will enjoy torturing this woman and her supporters with malicious statements. It's not a matter of if, but when, this happens.

In fact, there's a type of trolling that's become endemic in the US which allows that you are responsible for your situation, and if your situation is good you must deserve it (prosperity gospel), and if it's bad, you must deserve it too (prosperity gospel's evil twin).

But the noise will attract the trolls as well as supporters, and she's got to be prepared for it. And it sounds like she's not psychologically well (as one would expect) so its a serious downside to making noise.

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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by ElViajero on Saturday July 03, 2021 @02:01PM (#27723512)
> Bureaucrats who could fix it in a minute

That is not how this works. Bureaucrats needs to legally be instructed to change the register, "I saw something yesterday on TV and I am going to change official records" would be the worse bureaucracy ever. A bureaucrat that did such a change would end out of a job and maybe in prison for a good reason.

> How fucked up the system must be to allow such abuse.

The "system" works for millions of people. One weird case and you want to throw away the complete system. Google or Facebook close accounts randomly, meanwhile the state is able to keep proper records for a century with minimum mistakes. Yes, it is bad for this woman. Yes, they need to fix her case. No, it is not a reason to throw away a system that works.

> France

From the article, this also happened in Ohio. "In 2013, an Ohio judge ruled that Donald E Miller Jr would have to stay legally deceased, even though Miller was sitting in the courtroom to hear his fate, perfectly healthy. He had been declared dead in 1994 after having disappeared in 1986, owing thousands of dollars in unpaid child support. His ex-wife had requested Miller be declared dead so she would eligible for social security benefits. When Miller returned – he had been working out of state – he was told that Ohio cannot reverse death certificates after more than three years."

> I did not know that free person in France can not legally move without Ausweis.

Not in France nor in the USA. Try to move around the USA without a birth certificate and you are going to find how many problems you have to access properties and a job. Even in the Roman Empire you needed a birth certificate to prove ownership of land.

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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by FpUser on Saturday July 03, 2021 @05:45PM (#27725180)
>"Blah blah blah. One weird case and you want to throw away the complete system.

Who said anything about "throwing away a system". Just fix the fucking particular case. I am pretty sure if shit like this happened to their president it would've been handled in a minute. Taking away her rights was illegal in a first place anyways.

>"Not in France nor in the USA. Try to move around the USA without a birth certificate"

Under "move" I meant just simply walking on a street without ID. Not things like buying a house. If one can be charged for simply walking on a street without ID the country is fucked.

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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by Igelau on Saturday July 03, 2021 @10:06PM (#27726747)
It sounds like the trouble is that no one knows how to fix it. There's no "[ ] Dead" checkbox to uncheck on the computer, and no "Declare Nondeceased" forms to file, so they kick it up the chain of command. "This is above my pay grade!"

The next person doesn't have a clue what to do either, so the buck never stops being passed. The pencil-pushers don't know how to push this pencil. The bean-counters don't know how to count this bean. The bureau has a problem it can't crat.

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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by FpUser on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:22AM (#27727206)
I am pretty sure this [] dead checkbox is derived from some field in the database and the database can be modified directly.

I've done my share of fixing similar situations in the past while doing some jobs for Telecoms.

And it this was normal country ( I am not singling it out as we are fucking up people as well ) they should be able to quickly escalate it to the level that can simply order the fucking box unchecked. Unfortunately the victim is not some VIP otherwise they would've solved it in no time.

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