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Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:32PM (#27713691)
> It really isn't that hard

Then why is almost every vegan so malnourished?

> It is evidence based

I doubt it. Nutrition “science” right now has abysmally low evidentiary standards. We don’t have a scientific (i.e. experimental) basis for making strong low-level nutritional predictions beyond “if you don’t get any of this you will die eventually”. Basically the only thing you can do right now is make sweeping observations (“what is the apparent health of populations on this diet?”) and a-priori reasoning (“what is my prior on the evolutionary optimization criteria affecting my metabolic system?”).

> I've been doing the ETL lifestyle now for 16 years now, and feel great on it!

I’ve been eating keto/carnivore for two years now and I feel great (so not looking to improve on that front). I also don’t have any health problems associated with nutritional deficiency (in fact I am in perfect health, and I wasn’t when I ate the S.A.D.), and I don’t have to put in any special effort to maintain that state of affairs.

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by sweetheart on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:40PM (#27713788)
Why do you believe that almost every vegan is malnourished? How do you know who is vegan, and how do you know who is malnourished? Are you basing this off of anecdotes you've read of people eating plant-based and then feeling unhealthy? If so, that's not very reliable info.

On the other hand, here is every large nutrition institute around the world agreeing that veganism can be totally healthy for all stages of life: https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:46PM (#27713868)
> How do you know who is vegan

They’ll usually tell you pretty quickly.

> here is every large nutrition institute around the world

Why would you ever trust a “large nutrition institute”? Who is the kind of person who would come to power at a place like that? Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health. It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups.

When has a “large nutrition institute” ever released dietary advice that stood the test of time?

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by sweetheart on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:55PM (#27713966)
If you're saying they are unreliable as source, the onus is on you to say why. You just posed some questions without actually stating anything, made an assumption with no evidence ("Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health", "It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups.")

So, do you actually have any sources on why we shouldn't trust them?

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:05PM (#27714074)
This is an HN comment thread, not a scientific paper. There’s no “onus” on me to do anything, and if there were, it certainly wouldn’t be up to you who got to make comments without fulfilling some evidentiary ritual. If you’re actually interested, you could very easily google it, but I’ll give you a starting point: https://www.nutritioncoalition.us/news/2020-dietary-guidelin...
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ElijahLynn on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:52PM (#27713929)
Most vegans I know do not tell anyone. The number of closet, covert vegans is significantly higher than the overt, "preachy" vegans.
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:08PM (#27714105)
If you go to a restaurant or eat with them in any context it becomes obvious very quickly.
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ssijak on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:58PM (#27714652)
Read again what you just said..
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ElijahLynn on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:36PM (#27713741)
They aren't. Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing?
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:40PM (#27713791)
> Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live.

The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense.

> Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing

The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc.

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ElijahLynn on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:02PM (#27714044)
> The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc.

And meat, cheese and eggs.

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by wyager on Friday July 02, 2021 @08:39PM (#27718417)
The average American gets the overwhelming majority of their calories from vegan items. https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2016/december/a-look-at...
Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ElijahLynn on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:02PM (#27714041)
> The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense.

How is watching olympic athletes, proving they are getting even better, propaganda?

I feel like you didn't even watch the film.

Re:How to Love Animals in a Human-Shaped World by ElijahLynn on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:37PM (#27713749)
Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live.