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Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by iso1210 on Thursday July 01, 2021 @01:23PM (#27701690)
WTF are you on about "occupying nation"
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by opheliate on Thursday July 01, 2021 @01:27PM (#27701756)
You might want to look into the history of Northern Ireland during the 20th century, and local attitudes to British rule.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by woah on Thursday July 01, 2021 @01:31PM (#27701825)
England is occupying part of Ireland. I have no personal opinion about this, or links to Ireland, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone looking at it from the outside.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by Gupie on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:07PM (#27702326)
They would be wrong then. The great majority of unionist are of Scottish descent and have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s.

FYI the term "unionist" refers to those in NI who want the union with Britain to be maintained, not as someone looking in from outside would assume those who want a union with Southern Ireland. Those are "nationalists".

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by mcguire on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:22PM (#27704259)
"Great majority"? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Northern_Ireland#V....

"...have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s."

Not that it matters to anyone, but the Plantation of Ulster would likely be considered a war crime under article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention.

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by dragonwriter on Thursday July 01, 2021 @06:54PM (#27705898)
> Not that it matters to anyone, but the Plantation of Ulster would likely be considered a war crime under article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention.

Well, probably not, given that none of the states who were, or whose territory was, involved were parties to Geneva Convention (IV) of 1949 at the time.

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by amanaplanacanal on Friday July 02, 2021 @02:04AM (#27708263)
I think the implication is that if it happened today it would be considered a war crime.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by dragonwriter on Friday July 02, 2021 @05:10AM (#27709393)
But that's hardly noteworthy; any internal or international conflict from the 1600s is chock full of what would be, in modern terms, war crimes and crimes against humanity, usually on all sides unless one of them simply lacked capacity.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 01, 2021 @07:41PM (#27706266)
They made a claim about the majority OF unionists, not that unionists are a majority of anything.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by spoonjim on Thursday July 01, 2021 @06:17PM (#27705569)
Yes, it’s an ongoing war crime since 1600.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by dragonwriter on Thursday July 01, 2021 @07:00PM (#27705959)
> England is occupying part of Ireland.

England is clearly not, since Northern Ireland is a separate country in the UK, not a colony run by the government of England.

After ~400 years its hard to say the UK, is, either, unless you want to say most of the Earth is occupied, often occupied territory of countries that no longer even have a notional government, and often occupied by people who are detached from the government that initiated the occupation (which may itself have ceased to exist.)

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by tomjakubowski on Thursday July 01, 2021 @08:08PM (#27706466)
England is the only country of the United Kingdom lacking its own devolved legislature, which speaks to the perspective that England, if not synonymous with the UK, is the principal power within it.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by pessimizer on Thursday July 01, 2021 @07:15PM (#27706081)
Ireland doesn't exist?
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by barneygale on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:45PM (#27702856)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Public_opinion

The people of Northern Ireland disagree, and we ought to leave it to them.

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by vl on Thursday July 01, 2021 @03:22PM (#27703370)
Essentially it's a piece curved out of a country where descendants of occupants exceed in number native population. Of course it's occupied for so long that now it's "their own", still doesn't change the fact that it was occupied and not treated equally historically in the first place.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by AQuantized on Thursday July 01, 2021 @03:39PM (#27703602)
Not to be pedantic, but isn't that true of almost any place if you go back far enough? There's a reason those with 'British' ancestry are called Anglo-Saxons; The Angles (French) and Saxons (Germans) that conquered and occupied the land of the Celts eventually become the de facto inhabitants. Of course the Celts themselves didn't evolve there, but also dominated pre-Celtic peoples.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by guerrilla on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:58PM (#27704782)
> Angles (French) and Saxons (Germans)

The Angles are not French nor were the Saxons Germans but both were Germanic, specifically Nordic, coming from what is now Denmark.

There were "French" who ruled Britain called the Normans, from Normandy, which was also settled by Scandinavians and mixed with Franks (Germanics) and Gallo-Roman (post-Romans) (explaining why they spoke French.)

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by vl on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:05PM (#27704014)
Ireland's situation is a bit unique in that it was occupied for many hundreds of years and not really integrated. Usually occupations are either shorter, or integration happens. Of course occupants and occupees being on the islands didn't help.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by michaelt on Thursday July 01, 2021 @06:50PM (#27705873)
But enough about the United States, we're supposed to be discussing Northern Ireland.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by pessimizer on Thursday July 01, 2021 @07:18PM (#27706109)
It's horrifying when people justify occupations by citing a slave state that annihilated its native population, which still lives in poverty.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by bof_ on Thursday July 01, 2021 @03:36PM (#27703548)
Hacker News on Northern Ireland is worse than Hacker News on CSS. Which is saying a lot.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by iso1210 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:02PM (#27774790)
California is ocuppying part of Dakota. I have no personal opinion about this, or links to Dakota, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone looking at it from the outside.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by earnubs on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:43PM (#27702827)
Your first sentence is a personal opinion.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by shellac on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:00PM (#27702243)
England?
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by Strom on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:15PM (#27702424)
If you want them to say United Kingdom, then say it. Obscure one word comments aren't useful or transparent.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by lifeisstillgood on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:48PM (#27702902)
Sadly even UK is not right here. We are the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If we do not include NI, then we are just Great Britain.

Most of us are confused about it too.

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by bof_ on Thursday July 01, 2021 @03:38PM (#27703582)
And the alpha_3 for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is GBR.

The Western European Archipelago is a complex place.

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by mcguire on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:35PM (#27704440)
Well, the ancestor has a point, sort of. England conquered Wales, Scotland, and a bunch of other parts of the Earth, and only grudgingly became the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Historically, its relationship with everyone else in Britain, much less the rest of the world, have been somewhat strained.

By the way, any news on the Scottish independence thing?

Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by unmole on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:14AM (#27708011)
England didn't annex Scotland after an invasion. Scotland agreed to a union after their economy got rekt by a failed colonisation scheme and a famine.
Re:Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum by iso1210 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:01PM (#27774769)
If anything it was the other way round - the Scottish king took over the English throne