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Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @01:09AM (#27672024)
Unless you are a visiting foreigner without cell phone service and the WiFi requires you to login with a working cell phone number, then you are in 没办法 territory.
Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by 542354234235 on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @08:58AM (#27675156)
Somehow I think that a visiting foreigner that can read Chinese to order off a paper menu is probably also going to have a working phone number in China. Someone that can't read Chinese and needs to use their phone for google translate is probably not going to be able to order off a paper menu either.
Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @09:30AM (#27675504)
You’d be surprised how many overseas Chinese (who have immigrated to somewhere else) who are visiting China are trapped by this. And even foreigners who don’t read Chinese can pick out certain characters of the food they like to eat (you don’t need to read Chinese very well to recognize stereotypical 宫保鸡丁).

China is really bad at exceptions. Many of those restaurants have gotten rid of their paper menus (which didn’t have English anyways, so they aren’t worried about foreigners). It’s like the train station kiosks that can’t deal with you if you don’t have a Chinese ID card.

Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by whimsicalism on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @01:05PM (#27678692)
Yes, it is helpful to have cell service, both in China and in the United States.
Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:52PM (#27680137)
You can get by without cell phone service in the USA. On all my business trips back to the USA while living in China, I didn't have much a problem (free open wifi is pretty common, you can even use Uber pretty easily without a phone number).

In China...if someone else can get you a SIM, you'll be OK, or maybe you can get one at the airport in customs (that used to be possible), though they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them.

Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by whimsicalism on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:13PM (#27680394)
> they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them.

?? I use Google Fi which has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China. Alipay was almost as easy to set up, although I understand that until recently it was limited to those with a Chinese bank account.

Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:31PM (#27680661)
> I use Google Fi which gives has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China

That sounds really nice...and a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN.

So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China?

Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by whimsicalism on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:36PM (#27680720)
> a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN.

It is a bit surprising, although Google does have offices in China. It also has a VPN built in, which I recall would intermittently bypass the GFW.

> So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China?

No, I don't think so, but I had unlimited data.

Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @05:04PM (#27681710)
Were you in Guangzhou by any chance? They weird connections for foreigners that bypass the firewall, things that don’t exist in Beijing or Shanghai.
Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by whimsicalism on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @05:06PM (#27681736)
No, I was in Beijing, Kunming, and Shanghai. But I honestly don't recall the specifics of the firewall bypass - I was using Outline (another Google sponsored project, funnily enough) to skip it most of the time anyways.
Re:Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible by advanced-DnD on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @08:35AM (#27674938)
As an overseas Chinese visiting China, the cashier always look at me weirdly when I told them (in Chinese) I don't have online wallet/mobile internet. They think I'm taking them for a laugh.