Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by ineedasername on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:52PM
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Contractors get protections afforded under established contract law and principals of executing a contract in good faith. If Amazon has built a system that they know to be inconsistent or unfair or otherwise flawed then they are violating the terms of the contract.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by gruez on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:59PM
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So let's say I have a startup that uses 10 different SaaS providers. Suppose I decided one day to randomly pick one SaaS provider and stop using them. That sounds "inconsistent or unfair or otherwise flawed" to me. Would that get me in trouble?
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by ineedasername on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:30PM
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Depends on the terms of the contract. Contracts must be executed in good faith. That is the law. If you with your SaaS vendors or Amazon with its Flex workers isn't conforming to that part of the law then there is the potential for legal liability.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by FredPret on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:52PM
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What if paragraph 144 (a) (iii) subsection b of the contract explicitly states that the employee ahem contractor has a 0-day notice period?
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by mister_tee on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:27PM
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Not the same thing as contracting employees, especially in the eyes of the government.
Plus cancellation terms are likely codified in terms of the license agreement.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by mensetmanusman on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:07PM
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People aren’t software.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by calvinmorrison on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:46PM
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And a automatic metrics based firing system is probably much fairer than a human. Hard to sue for discrimination when you can prove with code it was based on metrics.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by malcolmgreaves on Monday June 28, 2021 @03:55PM
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Actually, it will be easier to show any labor law violations with an automated system. Any kind of wrongful termination or bias will be easy to show in the logs.
Note that getting a computer to do something doesn't make it unbiased. People can, and often do, write bias into programs.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by croes on Monday June 28, 2021 @03:59PM
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Fairer? You mean like Amazons AI recruiting system that was biased against women?
You can simply put discrimination into every metric.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by retrac on Monday June 28, 2021 @03:58PM
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And easy to prove when you can show a correlation like the employee being black results in being downrated. Code and especially machine learning systems happily encode our own biases.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by tyingq on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:49PM
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Amazon says they are contractors. The US government (some US States as well) has been pushing pretty hard on that view recently.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by TX0098812 on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:19PM
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> Aren't they contractors?
Question is, according to whom. For example, Uber got hit with a pretty big fine in Italy because in the view of the court, the people working for Uber should be viewed as employees.
Re:Amazon is using algorithms with little human intervention...
by 908B64B197 on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:17PM
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I wonder how much these causes are for worker's rights vs some politician trying to win a popularity contest by bashing these "evil tech foreign giants".
But I know nothing about pre-Uber Italian taxi regulations.
On what basis? Aren't they contractors? Do contractors get protections against arbitrary "firings"?