Except for Ubuntu Core which requires Ubuntu SSO account. https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi-core

The requirements doesn't list internet... and I was pretty sure my friend pressed some button or something that asked him for online login, when he tried to install Ubuntu for raspberry (because I'm not hardcore linux guy and I use Ubuntu and I will be able to assist him better in that OS), but after some googling around, it really turns out to be true - cant install without SSO login.

The solution for that guy? He just installed a different OS.

Not really sure what the Core part means but it looks like the SSO part is specific to it. You can just download the regular ISO for ARM/RPi...

Also Canonical/Ubuntu seems just have a particular bad track record of stuff like this. Most Linux distorts are better.

Yeah, I find out there is the arm build. But core is a nice minimal core with less packages. ~350MB vs 1.1GB...

Lol. "Linux distorts".

Yeah, Ubuntu seems to be happily trudging down the path of evil, right behind Microsoft. They, of course, don't have the massive marketing budget or UX polish to match though, so it's not going to go nearly as well.

But also a challenge. Linux also has to introduce purely Microsoft/Google/whatever-account log-on (without explicit local user log-in preceding it) as an option because this is what many zoomers expect. You just give them a new computer, they sign-in with their account and start doing their job. Businesses they run also expect this when ordering computers/integration from you.

The open source world actually needs to implement this + a decent offline alternative to Alexa or be left behind.

I will never want to use a Microsoft/whatever account either but other people will.

> You just give them a new computer, they sign-in with their account and start doing their job

They can start doing their job without signing in with any accounts, one step fewer.

nah the problem is the bovine masses have everything synced to their microsoft account now. they dont even really know how the file system works

just log in to your ms account on a new laptop and wait a few hours while everything syncs up via onedrive and its like every computer is your home computer

> they dont even really know how the file system works

I wouldn't say this is a problem in the bad sense. That's Ok. Almost nobody (except low-level system engineers) really knew how the file system works ever. I always believed it's unreasonable to ask people to learn about file system internals.

What I really consider a problem which should never have happened and should be fixed ASAP is Windows hiding file name extensions by default.

And people having an idea of how a DOC file and a TXT file are different, what do TXT and HTML files have in common and why zipping MP4 videos doesn't save space feel a blessing for me to meet among non-devs.

> just log in to your ms account on a new laptop and wait a few hours while everything syncs up via onedrive and its like every computer is your home computer

And this is a convenience we have to reproduce. It almost is there - you can add a Microsoft account in Ubuntu but it still requires an extra step of setting a local user up and signing in with it first.

I keep reading it since Vista.

I've been using Windows on the desktop since 3.1. I dabble in linux on the desktop from time to time, and I use it on servers, but I've never made the switch.

I was recently spurred to action by two things.

1. The forced news widget in my taskbar. 2. Being forced to sign into a Microsoft Account to setup my father's laptop. The onscreen prompts promised me that I could disable the account later if I wished.

We all see what's coming here. We're experiencing different levels of it all over the place.

My work machine (as in, the device I use to make my living with and the only device I can't actively "play with") is now running Arch.

I'm out. You guys can do what you want, but there is zero chance this nonsense doesn't continue and get worse.