Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by jaytaylor on Sunday June 27, 2021 @05:27PM
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From TFA:
The police said they intend to charge the unnamed spectator with “unintentional short-term injury through a manifestly deliberate breach of a duty of safety or care”.
And I agree- it's silly to go after the stupid person here, people behave carelessly in similar ways almost anywhere you go.
It's actually the fault of the event organizers for not accounting for the 'people' factor.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by tweetle_beetle on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:49PM
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This has been more or less normalised in the Tour though. There are hundreds of similar episodes every year, which are just close calls. It's less common early in a stage when the peloton is so large, but hardly a rarity.
Close proximity to "spirited" fans is a part of the culture of the race (and other European races). And it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days.
While this person is to blame, it's a case of when, not if, future incidents occur with the current situation. For me some responsibility lies with the organisers.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by carapace on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:44PM
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You say "it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days." and "some responsibility lies with the organisers." which seems contradictory to me. What more should the organizers do?
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by tweetle_beetle on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @04:43AM
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Finding a single scapegoat for a single incident when estimated spectators numbers are 12-15 million per year and poor behaviour driven by television broadcasting has been going on for decades is just a distraction from the elephant in the room. The huge money making event cannot really be run safely.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by CRConrad on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:42PM
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It's a start. Far from your "scapegoat", this nincompoop with her sign was obviously culpable. Start punishing more idiots who do shit like that, and after a whle you'll have fewer idiots who do shit like that.
shit does indeed happen in multiple sports. Anecdotally in currently running Safari Rally, once again under WRC since 2002, military is providing support in form of soldiers with ARs and 1 meter long wooden batons they will use to beat you senseless for refusing to obey commands. Seems to be working.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by ergocoder on Sunday June 27, 2021 @09:28PM
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Charge the organizer for negligence.
If we were to dig through all emails of the organizer, I'd bet at least one employee said "hey, crowd that close looks unsafe"... Then someone else higher up made a decision to ignore it.
That kind of race always look unsafe. One rider slip? The whole thing would go down.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by mxmilkiib on Monday June 28, 2021 @07:48AM
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I see the Indy (should I deign to still call it that after its purchase by a Russian oligarch several years ago) has started putting all their article images through a tracking system, so my Blockada app (local vpn for antispam) now stops every image on that article being loaded.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by ElViajero on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:38PM
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I was wondering why there was a black United States flag in the background in the Tour de France. But, it is actually the flag of Brittany from a region in France. What looks like starts are actually representations of ermines, and there are only 11 of them.
Re:Tour de France: Police search for missing fan who caused ...
by malobre on Sunday June 27, 2021 @08:23PM
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Hi from Brittany !
Our flag was inspired by the US star spangled banner around 100 years ago. There's a running joke that wherever there's a demonstration you'll be able to see someone fly the Gwenn-ha-du.
Check the wikipedia page [0], it's quite interesting.
The police said they intend to charge the unnamed spectator with “unintentional short-term injury through a manifestly deliberate breach of a duty of safety or care”.
And I agree- it's silly to go after the stupid person here, people behave carelessly in similar ways almost anywhere you go.
It's actually the fault of the event organizers for not accounting for the 'people' factor.
This is clearly their fault.
Close proximity to "spirited" fans is a part of the culture of the race (and other European races). And it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days.
While this person is to blame, it's a case of when, not if, future incidents occur with the current situation. For me some responsibility lies with the organisers.
How? What does that mean? The riders sue the organizers?
So? Is that a good thing?
Any attempt to un-normalise it is to be praised, not pooh-poohed.
Do they?
If they don't happen, it seems like a miracle of happenstance -- fans swaying or bikers leaning by a cm or two.
shit does indeed happen in multiple sports. Anecdotally in currently running Safari Rally, once again under WRC since 2002, military is providing support in form of soldiers with ARs and 1 meter long wooden batons they will use to beat you senseless for refusing to obey commands. Seems to be working.
If we were to dig through all emails of the organizer, I'd bet at least one employee said "hey, crowd that close looks unsafe"... Then someone else higher up made a decision to ignore it.
That kind of race always look unsafe. One rider slip? The whole thing would go down.
Our flag was inspired by the US star spangled banner around 100 years ago. There's a running joke that wherever there's a demonstration you'll be able to see someone fly the Gwenn-ha-du.
Check the wikipedia page [0], it's quite interesting.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Brittany
What does TDF have to do with technology, or this article? There is nothing here that has anything to do with anything that hacker news is about.