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Re:Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to cara... by sokoloff on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:05AM (#27651652)
That’s exactly my point. Far more cookbooks and subscriptions can be sold to “people who cook” than to “professional chefs who rigorously and precisely follow the literal definition of terms which once had a specific meaning and now colloquially encompass a much broader range of meaning”.

(Imprecise language bugs the hell out me as well, but it seems like it’s easier for me to bend than to attempt to fix all the humans.)

Re:Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to cara... by nwallin on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:46AM (#27651974)
I don't understand your point at all.

I can be mowing my lawn when it's 110F outside and say, "Gosh, I'm boiling." But if a recipe tells me to "boil" something, and it means anything other than put it in 212F water with heat applied in such a way that the water is bubbling, then the recipe is a shitty recipe, and I will diagnose the author with a confusion of the mind. The fact that the term now encompasses a much broader range of meaning in other contexts is completely irrelevant: I am not in those other contexts, in this context, it is a word with a very specific meaning.

Re:Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to cara... by sokoloff on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:49AM (#27652001)
The Slate article and this very HN discussion (broadly, not this sub-thread) are evidence that the phrase “caramelized onions” does not appear to have a singular, very specific meaning in this context. If it did, cookbooks wouldn’t make the claim and the Slate article and this discussion wouldn’t exist.
Re:Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to cara... by bombcar on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:21PM (#27653341)
I suspect half of cookbooks are badly written and worsely edited - especially if they’re trying to make it sound fancier.
Re:Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to cara... by SideburnsOfDoom on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:55AM (#27652050)
> to “people who cook” than to “professional chefs

You have a point here, there is a "context collapse" happening, when this definition is necessarily precise for professional chefs, and less so for "people who cook to eat".

However such recipe books typically claim to bring some of the professional techniques and results to the home cook, and as such are sowing confusion if they encourage "semantic drift"

https://interparestrust.org/terminology/term/context%20colla...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change