I’ve not run into this very much. I’ve had very good luck advocating against antisemitism while also advocating against Israeli settlement policies. I think by advocating against antisemitism I demonstrate that I’m actually committed to justice. It seems when people are accused of antisemitism they are often not only criticizing settlement policies but also advocating for the destruction of Israel and are generally silent on Jewish persecution.

There's another contingent that's quick to label any criticism leveled against the Israeli government as anti-semitism, which in itself is an antisemitic trope (which insinuates that all Jewish people, including the Jewish diaspora, and the country/government of Israel are inseparable)

Yes, labels are prepared for any type of criticism. The sad part is that there is some genuine anti-semitism out there (same is true for racism) and lumping this acusation with any criticism will weaken a real cause (again, same is true for racism).

I’ve been ostracized by my family, which I think is much worse.

I'm very sorry to hear it; that is hard. It might be that if you stand for your principles with dignity, they will respect it.

I don't know if there's maybe something to this analysis on a global scale (certainly I've got zero confidence in the good faith of Saudi and Qatari foreign policy), and it's absolutely the case that there's an insidious strain of antisemitism hiding in advocacy for Palestinians, but plenty of people I talk to about this problem are observant Jewish people; they're absolutely not antisemites, or getting "played", any more than people who advocated against apartheid were getting played. The situation is by all accounts very, very bad.

I don't disagree with you, but I think you and GP are both correct. Lots of people care about this issue and think that things should change and/or that Israel is "in the wrong" so to speak (I myself am one such person).

However, you said "maybe something to [GP's] analysis on a global scale" and also " The situation is by all accounts very, very bad."

From an Israeli perspective, this is the thing that bothers me. The situation re: Israel/Palestine is bad, but it's also nuanced and complicated and has very few paths forward, even to people very motivated to solve the problems. (Even if I had any political power, I really don't know what I would do at this stage.)

And yet, the way the situation is talked about on a global scale makes it seem: 1) way worse than it really is, 2) loses a lot of nuance and makes Israel look way worse than it really is, 3) makes the issue appear far more important compared to other problems happening in the world.

And the reason for the above is because of GP's analysis (or at least, that's what it seems like to me): a lot of countries have a huge interest in making the situation the one that people focus on. It's easier for many Muslim countries to make their citizens focus on a bad situation in Palestine (ignoring their own complicity in it), and thereby distract them from far, far worse situations happening literally every day.

I don’t say “everybody.” I said “most people.” Across the entire Muslim world there is a feigned concern for Palestinians that’s mainly about showing solidarity with other Muslims in opposing the existence of Israel. I’m not talking about random Americans who happen to jump into the cause.

>it's absolutely the case that there's an insidious strain of antisemitism hiding in advocacy for Palestinians

There's a rather more insidious strain of state supported Islamophobia and Israeli racial supremacy hiding in almost every trumped up accusation of anti-semitism.

It comes routinely from institutions who purport to speak for Jews.

For example, there's an institution named "stop antisemitism" who recently tried to offer money to dox a writer from The Onion for a joke that could in no way be construed as anti-semitic in any way, shape or form: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/the-onion-stop-antisemitism/

These people did not make a mistake. They weren't being incautious or overly zealous. They are simply racists.

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No, this isn't because of any of the topics you've been posting about, and certainly not the current one. We actually don't care which political (or ideological, or whatever) side you're on. It's because your account has repeatedly and consistently been breaking HN's rules despite our many requests to you to stop. Not cool.

Who? When? That's a baseless, slanderous attack, usually used to silence Jewish people (and others too, I'm sure) saying unpopular things.

Check how many US based Jews are part of anti Israel organizations such as BDS compared to other organizations that are anti other countries. Why? because they care more about the image of Israel in the world than the image of Iran or China for example. Even though they don't live in Israel and are not Israelis. That's because non-Jews often put Israelis and Jews in the same bucket, due to ignorance and/or racism. Similar to how many people put all Arabs/Muslims together.