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Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by Ozzie_osman on Saturday June 26, 2021 @05:53PM (#27646262)
It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by rayiner on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:25PM (#27648283)
That’s not what I’m driving at. My point is that there is a reason Bangladeshis all learn about Israel oppressing Palestine but don’t care about other Bangladeshis being worked to death in the Middle East. There’s a reason that’s the thing that gets people’s attention compared to all the other human rights issues out there.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by mrow84 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @03:11AM (#27649326)
What do you think that reason is?
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by pydry on Sunday June 27, 2021 @05:27AM (#27650009)
Maybe whataboutism. Why Bangladeshi whataboutism is supposed to be of interest to us I'm not sure.

Arab countries also use Israel to highlight the disingenuousness of America's supposed concern for human rights. Ironically not having it as an ally might make military interventions in the Arab world easier.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by rayiner on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:06PM (#27653231)
It’s not “whataboutism” to ask what might be motivating people to care about a particular issue thousands of miles away when they don’t pay any attention to human rights issues on their own border.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by Udik on Sunday June 27, 2021 @12:01AM (#27648473)
There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europeans in one of Islam's most historic places? Or maybe the reason is that, different from other injustices, this one is brazenly denied both by the perpetrators and by those who should be witnesses? Because an injustice will upset, but there is nothing more enraging than seeing those in power deny the obvious and pretend that the perpetrators are victims.

So there can be many reasons. Why do you choose the one that, once somehow transferred 5500 km from Bangladesh to Palestine (not sure how much they have in common), puts the Palestinians' struggle in the worst possible light?

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by poisonarena on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:02AM (#27649561)
Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled), this is a common myth that Israeli's are "european", there is many from Eastern Europe, and there are many ashkenazi jewish immigrants from the USA, but this is a fraction. And Jerusalem is the holiest place for Jews, and it has been since before Islam existed
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:48AM (#27651993)
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by poisonarena on Sunday June 27, 2021 @11:25AM (#27652300)
yes it is, look at the numbers. 26 percent from europe, 27 percent from "non white" Middle east mainly, would be 28-29 percent but I am not including potential mizrahim from USA/Canada, even though many are probably persian/iraqi origin.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @12:23PM (#27652855)
From the article, 2015 numbers:

26.26% Europe

4.64% Americas

10.75% Asia

14.3% Africa

So no, “most Israelis“ don’t come from Arab countries.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by poisonarena on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:25PM (#27653363)
Look at it carefully, there is no Middle East Continent, look at the countries in the list... Are you saying Iraq is not an Arab country, Because it is in Asia? No arabs in Morocco because it is in Africa? My point is that Israel is not "European Colonials". Argentinian ladino speaking sephardic jews white? An Iranian-American Jewish family moving to Israel is European? You are nitpicking, and more than half of the population is not 'european', also count in the the druze, bedouin, and christian and muslim arabs that live here, with full rights, political representation, and benefits

edit: Looking at your history "Peace is not possible on occupied land or in an apartheid state." seems like anything I can tell you wont matter because you have already drank the koolaid

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:34PM (#27653441)
Iraq is included in Asia. Asia + Africa = 25.05% which is less than the 30.9% Europe + America. So you were incorrect when you said the majority of Jewish Israeli’s are from Arab nations.

As for your edit, that’s an ad hominem.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by poisonarena on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:47PM (#27653562)
You are still wrong.. when most of the jews were kicked out of Arab countries they went to countries all over the world United States, Europe, Argentina/Brasil.. You are not considering any of this and just pulling census 6 year old census data that doesnt describe ethnicity..

from the article: "About 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi, 44.2% identify as Ashkenazi, about 3% as Beta Israel and 7.9% as mixed or other"

This is from 2013, and there has been a lot more mixing since then.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:51PM (#27653588)
You said the majority of Israeli Jews came from Arab countries. That is factually incorrect.

Your exact comment:

> ” Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled)”

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Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @02:20PM (#27653844)
That says nothing about their country of origin. These people literally emigrated from Western non-Arab countries. Your statement is just incorrect and now you’re moving the goal posts.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by poisonarena on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:10PM (#27654840)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Mu...

I posted proof, im not goal posting, and you are missing the entire point of what I originally said. Mizrahim/sepharidim are jews from arab/meditaranean/african countries.. they are more than 50% the population of jews in Israel. I am not arguing with any more. Your previous comments describe how you feel already.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by luffapi on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:34PM (#27655037)
You did not post proof. The numbers directly contradict your statement. More emigration happened from Western countries than Arab countries. No amount of goal post moving will change that your original statement is factually incorrect.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by BeFlatXIII on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:32PM (#27646574)
There are only so many hours in a day. This should be true at the community level, but an individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by slim on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:48PM (#27646722)
He does not have to care about every injustice every time. But he should not be proud about not caring.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by justanotherguy0 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @01:43AM (#27648921)
Why not? Who cares?

Like he said, this is far from the worst conflict going on right now and it receives a disproportionate amount of interest.

I don't care about the conflict in china or in Yemen or in syria. Because I'm a coherent person, I also don't care about what's happening in israel.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by glogla on Sunday June 27, 2021 @03:28AM (#27649417)
Because being proud of lack of empathy and just ... humanity is pretty fucked up?
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by novok on Sunday June 27, 2021 @05:04AM (#27649876)
You literally do not have enough time to care about all the travesties in the world, you will just 'care' about them taking up all of your time while doing nothing to actually improve the world. You are 1 human of billions, you try to make the world better as much as one average human can. Which is for most people, raising their children well, being a good person and doing good work. You only have energy for one cause I like to say, it's up to you to choose it.

So beyond a general sense of "these things suck and I emphasize, but I don't have time to think about it", there is really not much else you should do beyond that if your not actually going to do anything about it other than read some media, feel some emotions and have opinions about something you have remote to zero experience in and zero power or desire to actually do anything about it.

And after that one, you have the other 100'000 small and large travesties to process.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by justanotherguy0 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:56AM (#27687409)
Everything you hear and see about the wider world is because somebody else with much more power than you decided you should.

By letting them decide what you care about, you've delegated your decision-making.

I think that's fucked up.

Also everything the other commenter said is right.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by werber on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:38AM (#27651911)
Intersectionality is just viewing all struggles commonality. You can focus on whatever you want and center it with regard to everything else that’s wrong. For me, that’s been a very hopeful concept because you obviously can’t do a million things at once.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by wolverine876 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @07:23PM (#27646945)
> n individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact

One solution, a well-established one, is to focus on universal human rights. The rising tide will lift all boats.

Also, caring does not necessarily mean action. I do have limited time, but I've heard the above used as an excuse for most of my life, and used to subscribe to it. I've learned that while people are talking about whether and how and should you care, you can just do something. It's that easy.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by HKH2 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:33PM (#27648000)
When you can't even get major powers on board with universal human rights, what hope have you of going after others? They seem about as effective as the UN itself.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by wolverine876 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @02:26AM (#27649122)
Major powers have been on board with universal human rights since WWII. They aren't always perfect, but the effort and progress since then is astounding. Look at the world now vs 1945, or 1845!
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by stefan_ on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:51PM (#27646743)
Or maybe you start to question why you are being fed agitprop about X while your government is doing Y?
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by Ozzie_osman on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:52PM (#27646748)
Not mutually exclusive.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by Berobero on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:18PM (#27648247)
As a general principle, yes, all of humanity matters, and all grave matters deserve grave attention. At the same time, how a given issue impacts you and those around you, how much influence you can possibly have over the matter, and how much responsibility you and those like you truly bare in its existence are all of upmost importance when deciding where you should be putting your emphasis, morally speaking.

For example, for your typical US citizen, decrying the plight of the Uyghurs is fine in principle. But if one goes and weights things relative to the above criteria -- though admittedly there's no clean way to do so -- I'd argue that China's Uyghur genocide would not even make the top 100 of things that deserve to be morally prioritized (again, by your typical US citizen).

And forgive me if I read to far into what you wrote past what you intended; it just struck me as possibly flattening a bit too much.

Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by throwaway894345 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:11PM (#27647228)
And Jews.
Re:The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media by Ozzie_osman on Saturday June 26, 2021 @09:52PM (#27647816)
Absolutely!