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Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:59AM (#27619499)
Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look?

> app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15

This is great. That's how it s done

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by theandrewbailey on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:30PM (#27619941)
> Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look?

I wouldn't mind a complete visual regression to Windows 7. In fact, I remember that Win 7 Aero only had rounded corners.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by chrismorgan on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:25AM (#27627140)
> Win 7 Aero only had rounded corners.

Except that the rounding only happened on the window decoration, which took space. The client rendering area was a full rectangle. Now, they’re cutting corners out of the client rendering area.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cnasc on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:41PM (#27620120)
> Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8 again?

Windows 8 distinctly had no rounded corners. The metro design language was quite square

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:51PM (#27620297)
right, win7 had some roundedness, but the unbelievable annoying launch screens for touchscreens were in win8 IIRC
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by masklinn on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:43PM (#27620158)
Guessing they’re confusing 8 and Vista? I have no other explanation.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by irthomasthomas on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:41PM (#27620128)
I use Linux now but keep windows VMs around for some legacy stuff. It takes about 5-10s to boot win7. It's snappy as heck, and reliable, even in a vm with minimal ram.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:46PM (#27620212)
And, every program works
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by zxzax on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:38PM (#27620072)
Touchscreen laptops and convertible laptops are becoming increasingly common, they can't just ignore this market segment.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:39PM (#27620092)
increasingly common but still a tiny minority of their user base. others shouldn't suffer for that
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by zxzax on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:45PM (#27620184)
I don't think so, the studies I've seen actually show the number of touchscreen devices is growing, and desktop PCs are shrinking.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:49PM (#27620254)
but how are their sales doing? given the kind of apps that run on a PC, i think the touchscreen is just a gimmick that is barely used. Windows programs are just not made for tablets, and will never be
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by TheCapn on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:16PM (#27620773)
> i think the touchscreen is just a gimmick that is barely used.

I'll just say that my laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga) has a touchscreen and I love it. Every laptop I buy from here out will be a touchscreen merely because the ability to reach up while I type and just tap where i want my mouse to go next is such a better system than working with a nipple or trackpad.

I think as laptops with touchscreens become more affordable lots of people will change across. When i'm forced to work on my work laptop without KB&M, I really miss the ability to touch my screen instead of working with the god awful trackpad.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by shuntress on Thursday June 24, 2021 @03:08PM (#27622432)
I would assume part of this is due to the trackpad. The only trackpads (of those I have used) that I would describe as better than "decent" have been on mac laptops.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by zxzax on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:08PM (#27620649)
The sales seem to be increasing, I wouldn't say it's a gimmick. Also touch support is not just for touchscreens, most laptops now have multi-touch touchpads where you can do gestures. Making a program support those already puts it significantly closer to having real touchscreen support, so it's not as hard or difficult as you'd imagine for older Windows programs to gain good tablet support.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:20PM (#27620844)
maybe, but windows programs are so heterogeneous that i dont see how i will be able to use blender, browser, word, excel etc on a touchscreen .

Besides, this "touch-first" approach has been tried with win8 and in my experience it was atrocious

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by zxzax on Thursday June 24, 2021 @02:11PM (#27621656)
The point with those laptops is, you use the keyboard when it makes sense, and you use the touchscreen when that makes sense. I think you're confusing "touch-first" with "having any support for touchscreens at all," some concessions need to be made if you don't want it to be totally unusable on a device like that which has an optional touchscreen.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by fasdfefff on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:43PM (#27620152)
> App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15

But there isn't a perpetual Agreement guaranteeing MS won't ever increase its cut in the future when its store becomes more popular. The Store hasn't yet been terribly successful. Most of my Windows apps are installed outside the MS store: Notepad++, VSCodium, Steam, and so on. So MS will try to get more apps in the Store and then lock down Windows like iOS once it has enough apps, then increase its own cut so that it can transfer wealth from the middle class to billionaire MSFT shareholders, just like AAPL does.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:48PM (#27620237)
It doesn't even matter, unless microsoft stops allowing programs outside the app store. But that will never happen given their ecosystem.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by witherk on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:54PM (#27620362)
You know I kind of wish windows had a store, but then I tired installing apps using the current store and it's a terrible experience. They make it so hard for people with more than 1 hard drive to manage what goes where.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by T-A on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:46PM (#27620196)
> Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8 again?

Transparent windows and widgets make it more like Vista.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by bluedino on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:52PM (#27620315)
Looks like a new version of KDE
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by cblconfederate on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:21PM (#27620858)
... which the KDE will soon copy and the loop will continue forever
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by indigochill on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:05PM (#27620570)
>> app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15

> This is great. That's how it s done

It can't go on, though. Why won't every developer turn their app "free" and use Stripe or something to shave even more off the commerce fees? Meanwhile Microsoft eats hosting/maintenance/development on the store for zero return. We saw why Apple went the IAP route even if it's unpopular among developers and the fees could afford to be reduced.

Re:Introducing Windows 11 by freeone3000 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:08PM (#27620650)
This is fine? It means more people are on the platform and using Windows. Remember, Microsoft still makes money from every Windows computer sold.
Re:Introducing Windows 11 by birthday on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:13PM (#27620727)
Indirect revenue is why this is sustainable! Good on Microsoft for making the right choice here.