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Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by mc32 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:53AM (#27617406)
>” and see themselves more and more as activists changing the world...”

That is the main problem.

They no longer see themselves as a medium to disseminate events but rather shapers of opinions about events.

Like laughtracks for situational comedies, they see themselves as having a responsibility to tell people how to think of an event.

It’s like Pravda but worse. Pravda at least had the decency to not want to pit a population against itself.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by pydry on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:19AM (#27617869)
I'm less bothered by opinionated news than I am seeing Julian Assange thrown in prison for exposing state sanctioned murder.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by mc32 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:22AM (#27617923)
It's this opinion shaping that convinces people not to care about the imprisonment of someone acting as a mere conduit to the dissemination of information.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by pydry on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:24AM (#27617968)
true enough
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by read_if_gay_ on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:25AM (#27617984)
You should be just as bothered, if not more, by the news not making a huge deal out of this and instead reporting on FUD rape allgations against Assange.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by pydry on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:42AM (#27618294)
To me it doesn't seem as bad. I don't like the lies and the slander but it's better than raw violence.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by read_if_gay_ on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:41PM (#27620122)
It's not just lies and slander, but lies and slander in place of reporting this abuse. It's the media's job to make people aware of their government's wrongdoings.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by refurb on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:40AM (#27618244)
I think the big changes has been the fracturing of “opinion shapers”. Back in the JFK era nobody talked about his affairs - that was an agreement among the media.

Then the disruption of the 60’s happened and the Vietnam War drove a schism between official govt stance and the truth on the ground and some media personalities were famous for exposing it.

Now everything is fractured and when you dig into it you realize both side are trying to shape the narrative, so both are being selective about the truth.

By fighting over whose wool to pull over your eyes they inadvertently pulled it off entirely.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by furgooswft13 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:20AM (#27617891)
> Pravda at least had the decency to not want to pit a population against itself.

Not so sure about this, there were a lot of purges...

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by dagw on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:25AM (#27617978)
They no longer see themselves as a medium to disseminate events but rather shapers of opinions about events.

When was the golden age of journalism when this wasn't the case?

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by tines on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:29AM (#27618047)
Before the Typographic Man became the Graphic Man. Daniel Boorstin talks about this very thing in The Image, which is a fascinating read.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by jmeister on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:02AM (#27618633)
Very interesting references. Thank you.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by minikites on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:40AM (#27618256)
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by mc32 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:26PM (#27619881)
I have a problem with the qualifier always.

There tend to be exceptions to everything. What’s important is the average or the trend.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by mschuster91 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:23AM (#27617945)
> They no longer see themselves as a medium to disseminate events but rather shapers of opinions about events.

Journalism has always been shaping opinions, alone by selection aka what gets reported in the evening news and what not. The only ones who manage to pass that mark are the huge news agencies with a worldwide presence, but no reasonable human can consume all of that content.

Reporting about science is another ... hotly debated issue. It is scientific consensus that climate change is man-made and that the virus SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19, a disease that has caused the death of at least 600.000 people in the US and about 3.9 million people worldwide - but for some parts of the country, mostly on the right wing, simply the act of reporting these facts is already seen as "opinion shaping".

And finally, even reporting on events can be seen as "shaping opinions" - think of events like mass or school shootings, where the 2nd amendment crowd complains that the victims or their relatives are being interviewed and calling for gun control. Or BLM and LGBT events - some people see the mere mention of these as "political".

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:10AM (#27618758)
The funny thing about this comment is that it is the perfect demonstration of how media/people omit or spin facts to control the narrative.

Some missing facts:

The CDC and Fauci recommended against masks to protect the mask supply for health providers. Media pushed this messaging.

The vaccines seem to cause heart issues with some people dying from it. Only months later is the CDC admitting supposedly minor heart issues. Furthermore they are pushing people to take it (even those who stand to lose more than to benefit from it). Media pushes this narrative.

The vaccines do seem to work for most people and seem effective against the variants of COVID-19.

Many BLM protests were peaceful but some were taken advantage of and just became opportunities to loot.

Defund the police has caused skyrocketing property crime and violent crime.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by Steltek on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:08PM (#27619631)
Omitting and spinning facts indeed. You're simply pushing your own narrative here so aren't you making yourself part of the problem?
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Saturday July 03, 2021 @12:57PM (#27723006)
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/NBC-Bay-Area-news-crew-...

Attempted robbery of reporters in front of Oakland City Hall in broad daylight while the reporters were interviewing a cop about Oakland supervisors defunding the police and shifting resources to his crime prevention division.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by textgel on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:20PM (#27619803)
Seems they are adding facts that have been missed. Is there a particular reason you want these facts suppressed?
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by Steltek on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:38PM (#27620079)
LOL. "And how long have you been beating your wife?"

babesh is adding facts, mixed with pure opinion, of his own choosing to also further a narrative. Is "Defund the police has caused skyrocketing property crime and violent crime." a verified (or even provable) fact? If so, what was omitted from that statement that would have made it less biased. And ultimately, how is he not committing the same sin as corporate media?

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:53PM (#27620342)
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by Steltek on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:04PM (#27620555)
> retail executives, police officers and city officials have attributed the surge to Proposition 47, a 2014 ballot measure that reclassified nonviolent larceny as a misdemeanor

Your sources don't even support your opinion/narrative? If anything, I'm afraid your claim to the high ground has worsened.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:50PM (#27625849)
Apparently you can’t read because it isn’t just because it is a misdemeanor but because of the refusal of Chesa Boudin to prosecute.

Look who is picking and choosing which facts to ignore and choosing to spin a narrative. Go watch all the news even of left sided news. There are a lot of complaints about how businesses and communities are hurt. There are increasing calls to fund the police and some communities are starting to do that. Even Chesa Boudin is now saying that businesses need to protected. Even London Breed is saying the same.

They just arrested a person who was on a serial shoplifting spree. Police were complaining that they would arrest people and the DA would just let them free.

https://youtu.be/2jrnhaLzCqA

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspected-shoplifter-fr...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/san-francisco-confronts...

Here is the shoplifter that they finally arrested after letting shoplifting go on for the past year.

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:11PM (#27626022)
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/us/defund-police-crime-spike/...

“ Homicides and aggravated assaults in the city has increased over the last two years. Year to date, homicide up 26.5 percent over 2020, up 44.9 percent over 2019. Aggravated assault is up 12.8 percent year over year, and 11.3 percent over 2019. Overall violent crime is up year-over-year 5.8 percent, driven by homicide and aggravated assault numbers.”

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by rsj_hn on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:22AM (#27658378)
It's absolutely shocking that homicides are up in 2020 given that a good chunk of SF's population fled during the year and most of the bars/stores were closed and the streets were empty. If homicides were up in that environment, this is very, very bad news for 2021 and 2022.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:12AM (#27658331)
Car break-ins up 753% this year in SF. Hahahaha. Home burglaries up 94%. Hahahaha.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-car-...

Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by babesh on Saturday July 03, 2021 @02:18PM (#27723620)
Hmmm. This isn’t the full picture. The 753% stat is for the Central district and is compared to 2019.
Re:US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media by textgel on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:25PM (#27620922)
Which facts is it he's left out? You don't get to just lie and say he's doing it without stating which is being left out.

So given that you are baselessly attacking him, and the only thing that drew you to him was the facts he stated; clearly you don't want him stating them. So again. I ask, why do you want those facts suppressed? And why are you being evasive about answering the question?