Put someone in a room and prevent them from sleeping for a few days and I'm pretty sure you could convince anyone to kill themselves. There's no absolute certainty that can ever be provided.

That's murder, not suicide. I think you made a point, but not the one you thought you made

yes true! but the point is also that the mind is malleable, there's no guarantee that anything I say today will be true tomorrow... there are endless circumstances

Reliable (and potentially even publicly accessible) surveillance. Just livestream every moment of your life and keep logs in multiple locations.

Well, unless you get taken to prison where you will be surveilled, but the surveillance will fail at exactly the moment you committed suicide, mysteriously, and all footage would disappear after a technician makes an innocent mistake while backing it up.

Right, so then obviously in that case there was foul play.

Is that what happened here or are people believing what they want to believe rather than striving to perceive a fact-based reality?

"So obviously in that case there was foul play."

Correct, and the events that user described is exactly what happened to Jeffery Epstein, and yet somehow we have no public information about who is responsible, and the official story is suicide.

I believe they are referencing to how Epstein died, which was ruled a "suicide"

> obviously in that case there was foul play.

But is it? What kind of foul play - is it prison management hiding the fact they had somebody kill himself on their watch (which is professional incompetence), or the other one?

The Epatein guards were going to talk and suddenly got a sweetheart deal that even avoided prison. There’s still evidence out there somewhere.

Ehhh, pretty sure he is referring to Epstein.

Or, non-conspiratorially, surveillance fails all the time, but no one cares or even knows if surveillance fails and there was no reason to go back through the footage.

Not an option though if you're jailed in Barcelona.

How does that work if you are in prison?

You can't. That's the job of the prison. This is why people get upset when there is a "CCTV malfunction" when high profile prisoners supposedly kill themselves.