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Re:A backlash against gender ideology is starting in univers... by jacquesm on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:52PM (#27609245)
And the reverse: your sexuality - or anybody else's who is not my mate - is not on my list of 'want-to-know'. I simply do not care about the choices and/or attributes of other people though I believe they should be 100% free to make whatever choice they want and be whoever they are, and have gone out of my way to ensure that this is the case for people who find their life's choices frustrated or their reality denied by others.

This is probably a sign of my advancing age, I'm probably a prude by today's standards, but I simply don't find these subjects for semi-public or even public discussion with strangers.

Re:A backlash against gender ideology is starting in univers... by kelnos on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:08PM (#27613457)
I think the issue is that a gay man probably wants to be comfortable answering "what did you do last night?" with "I went out to dinner with my boyfriend", but can't be with a new friend who doesn't know about their sexuality.

As much as we'd like to believe we have no biases, we do. Straight is the societal default. People who are not straight and just want to answer a question about their dinner run the risk of a bad reaction if the person they're talking to just happens to be homophobic.

Someone might prefer to get that reaction in a controlled setting, when they've emotionally prepared themselves for it, not during the course of answering a routine question about dinner. So that's why someone you're just starting to get to know might prefer to specifically tell you that they're gay, rather than waiting for it to just come up as an incidental fact during conversation.

This isn't about them assuming that you specifically care about their sexuality. It's about them being able to determine if you are a person with whom is safe to share details about their life... innocuous details that a straight person would take for granted as being safe to share.

Re:A backlash against gender ideology is starting in univers... by jacquesm on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:05AM (#27614144)
Understood. I think the reason why such a scenario would not likely play out in my vicinity is that being gay is such an accepted thing here that the large majority of the people would not bat an eye. The Amsterdam gay pride draws crowds from all over Europe each year.

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean there isn't any bigotry and associated violence against gays, lesbians, trans people etc. I wished that were true, alas here too we have our share of people who simply won't recognize reality. But I'm fairly sure that the people who are at risk of such violence here have their own ways of ensuring the chances of encountering people who are prone to acting on their bigotry in non-safe settings are reduced to a minimum, it's out in public where the risk is largest, and that increases as you get away from the larger population centers.

The bigger issue in 'coming out' here is to deal with such people in a family setting, that's where bigotry can and still does cause significant hardship.

Re:A backlash against gender ideology is starting in univers... by noobermin on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @07:11PM (#27611747)
This isn't about strangers, but acquaintances and friends, who would know you a little more intimately, no?
Re:A backlash against gender ideology is starting in univers... by jacquesm on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:11AM (#27614178)
Sure, but by the time I would call someone my friend or acquaintance I would assume that they would feel safe enough saying anything that might reveal that fact in an indirect way. Then again, being gay/lesbian is very much an accepted thing here. Being trans still not so much, though that is changing.

If I would meet some stranger or some person in a work setting their sexuality would not be on my list of things I would be interested in, either we don't know each other that well or we have at best a working relationship, a job to get done, and to move the subject to sexuality would be - according to me - inappropriate.