Should FtM people, taking testosterone, compete with cis-women?

If those testosterone's are not a banned substance, then sure. Why not?

Those testosterone are absolutely a banned substance. FtM transgender people would dominate many female sports.

Testosterone is a banned substance because it is a performance-enhancing drug.

Exactly my point. If substance the is banned, why even ask the question?

> It's simple: born as a man? Sport like a man. Born as a women? Sport like women.

Well, except for people born as women who take testosterone, then.

Or anyone that takes testosterone.

Sounds like it is not that simple in the end, doesn't it?

Actually its very simple.

If you are born a certain sex, you should compete in the same sex category provided you haven’t taken any substances to enhance performance. This would mean you are only using what your body naturally produces.

Theres a difference between trans-women and women.

It's very simple. If you want to do (professional) sports, you cannot take steroids/testosterone.

Being trans isn't a choice, but taking testosterone or whatever definitely is. It does not matter if you're male, female, trans, chinese, african or american.. Nobody should be allowed take banned PED's in professional sports.

It is very important to keep this integrity in sports. You could argue that you can let a FtM take testosterone because else he wont be able to compete with the others, but what if he started winning. Will people say he won because he's so good or would it be because he's allowed to take testosterone?

No ifs, no buts.

>you cannot take steroids/testosterone

I disagree. You just cannot be caught taking steroids/testosterone. Plenty of athletes do it and get away with it. Its part of the game, a meta game if you will.

Which sports? I wish trans men good luck competing against born male athletes

Trans women have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since the 80s with some stipulations around testosterone levels being maintained as very low. It would already have been a problem, if your simplistic theory were true.

Even though I largely agree with your conclusion, I strongly disagree that this problem is made artificially difficult.

The fallout of a decision like this for professional athletes who are trans is huge. That fallout and the effects from that decision should not at all be taken lightly.

Having an MTF proffesional athlete to compete in the male category is going to probably cause a lot of disphoria. It will also make it much harder from them to be accepted as female. Many people will question "If she is a woman, why is she competing in the male category". Hence it would probably cause many MTF professional athletes to simply decide to drop their profession.

Transitioning is already hard. Adding "drop your profession" to that makes it that much harder. Especially to professional athletes to whom "being an athlete" is probably rather important. Just dismissing these concerns as "easy" is wrong. The impact this will have is huge and deserves significant consideration.

I believe that, on balance, even when considering the above, there are still cases where MTF athletes should be barred from "women's leagues". At least in sports where their biology gives MTF athletes a significant advantage. But that is a close and difficult call to me. Not at all an easy one.

> The impact this will have is huge and deserves significant consideration.

The impact of making women’s competitions an impossibility for non MTF persons seems far greater in comparison.

I agree that it is greater. But disagree that it is far greater. Any argument that does not interrogate that question further is lacking in my opinion.

> Adding "drop your profession" to that makes it that much harder. Especially to professional athletes to whom "being an athlete" is probably rather important.

All athletes have to drop their profession sooner or later.