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Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by b0rsuk on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:18AM (#27601726)
I don't have a big problem with people who "identify as" someone else. I have a big one with people who insist that *I* must call them in a particular way. It clashes with the idea that freedom of one person stops where freedom of another person starts. What about my right to call another person as I see them? This is invasive. I'm not telling them how to live - they are. This is *gaslighting* and promoting *taboos*.

Margaret Thatcher once said: "Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't."

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Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by imsesaok on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @09:43AM (#27604490)
You call them whatever you want, and the other side has a freedom to call you a transphobe. simple as that.
Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by b0rsuk on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @10:24AM (#27604889)
I don't see anything offensive in calling someone "a man" or "a woman". If I do that, and you respond by labeling me as a "transphobe", fine, but as far as I'm concerned you are responding with a pejorative (unflattering) term to a neutral one.
Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by kristopolous on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:09AM (#27602049)
> I have a big one with people who insist that I must call them in a particular way. It clashes with the idea that freedom of one person stops where freedom of another person starts

So this would also apply to say, racial slurs and personal insults. Calling someone a name or the n-word instead of their name, that's a freedom? What about antisemitic slurs or insulting disabled people? How about just referring to women as sex objects, that's also within that rule. As well as doing the same for children or the deceased.

You don't expect people to be insulted by such things? Are you serious?

I don't think you actually mean what you say.

Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by textgel on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:03AM (#27602375)
You don't have the right not to be offended. No matter how many times you ask.
Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by kristopolous on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @10:18AM (#27604824)
Huh? So say, sexually fetishizing children in front of their parents is a freedom?

That's actually a crime, you know that, right, it's not freedom of speech. Using racial slurs is a crime in most environments as well.

There is no right to say arbitrary things in front of arbitrary people. That's actually not a thing.

It's not "your freedom" that's being violated, there never was one there to begin with here.

Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by textgel on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:28PM (#27607271)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech > Freedom of speech[2] is a fundamental human right that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.

The list of things at the forefront of you mind would fall under the above. You might get your teeth kicked in but by the actual freedom of speech definition rather than your own truths interpretation there would be no legal response.

It's true however that we don't actually subscribe to that definition any more, so you never know. Maybe you'll have your wish.

Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by kristopolous on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @08:03PM (#27612202)
Huh? It's called criminal verbal threats and they're quite illegal.

Case laws have upheld them numerous times. This isn't "interpreted truths", racial slurs have been interpreted as intent and such things have been prosecuted.

Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by textgel on Thursday June 24, 2021 @03:10AM (#27614749)
And you want missgendering to be interpreted legally as the equivalent of a death threat?
Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by anoncake on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:00AM (#27617540)
You have a right not to be intentionally offended. Because that is an attack.
Re:Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Ol... by CRConrad on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:21PM (#27647280)
> You have a right not to be intentionally offended.

Seems lots of people get intentionally offended nowadays... Only the intention is their own.