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Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by FooHentai on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:44PM (#27600217)
Same story in New Zealand. Even the SPCA here pursues a policy of trap, neuter, release for feral cats despite the overwhelming evidence that they absolutely decimate NZ's native bird populations, which evolved in the absence of such predators.

It's very frustrating, folks can't acknowledge that 'cute and familiar' is causing enourmous ecological harm because it's out of sight, out of mind.

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by throwawaywrench on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:27PM (#27600463)
Even pet non-feral cats are cute little murder machines. "Oh but not my darling cat." yeah right.

I found this link interesting. The cat tracker images showing where a cat has actually gone in the course of a week are amazing.

https://cattracker.org/tracks/

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by jephson on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:23PM (#27600434)
There isn't overwhelming evidence, though. Native bird life in New Zealand has dramatically increased in recent years, despite cats continuing to enjoy relative freedom and huge numbers.
Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by FooHentai on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:48AM (#27600903)
I know of at least three major published studies quantifying the prey caught by domestic cats in New Zealand in Auckland, Christchurch, and Dunedin. All found significant predation of native species by cats, and that it scaled with the population numbers of those species.

On the Dunedin study: >"A year-long study of 208 cats in urban Dunedin showed that they kill more birds, skinks, geckos, and weta than rats and mice."

>"37 Dunedin cats that were known to be prolific hunters, [...] without collars, the cats caught 378 animals, including 82 birds"

>"There is the well-documented case of a lighthouse-keeper’s cat causing the extinction of the Ste-phens Island wren. And near Tongariro National Park, one feral cat was filmed killing 102 short-tailed bats in the Rangataua forest, on the side of Mt Ruapehu, in just seven days in 2010."

https://www.forestandbird.org.nz/sites/default/files/2018-05...

https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1...

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2486....

The success of native breeding, conservation, and re-introduction programmes has been in spite of the country's feral and domestic cats.

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by jephson on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:03AM (#27601620)
This is certainly evidence that cats are killing birds but characterising the numbers in the studies you've cited as absolute decimation seems unfair. I'm genuinely surprised at how low some of these counts are. For example: 37 bell-free cats deemed "prolific killers" only managed to kill 82 birds between them over the course of a year-long study? Even allowing for a large number of unknown kills the impact here seems small.

The lighthouse story is tragic and maddening. While I opted not to adopt a new cat when my last one died, I don't support the predator-free approach to conservation.

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by soperj on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:53AM (#27605955)
>The lighthouse story is tragic and maddening. While I opted not to adopt a new cat when my last one died, I don't support the predator-free approach to conservation.

Why?

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by AbrahamParangi on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:53PM (#27600605)
What do you think the cats are eating?
Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by corin_ on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:08AM (#27600992)
Lots of animals eat other animals, we don't kill everything that's not eating a vegetarian diet.

If hypothetically (since I'm not familiar with the data) they're killing some birds but those bird populations remain healthy, is that a problem?

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by petre on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:20AM (#27600752)
Whiscas?
Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by soperj on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:28PM (#27600466)
From very low numbers, because they're controlling other predators (stoats)
Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by ce4 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:59AM (#27600960)
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill

That TheOatmeal comic always comes to mind.

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by jim-jim-jim on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:07AM (#27600684)
The Cat Question is an illustrative example of where animal rights and environmentalism diverge.

It's the same same story in Australia. I had multiple vocally Green neighbors in a vocally Green suburb of Melbourne who let their cats have free rein. The mutilated bird carcasses that littered the area were testament to that misguided liberty. Around election time the Greens mailers even included "protecting our pets" as one of its platform items, while at the same time advising voters to rank parties with actual environmental policies, such as the socialists, nearly last.

Re:Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat (2014) by totetsu on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:17AM (#27600732)
and, Predator free 2050! (don't mention the deer and pigs)